Presumptuous or Fallacious? - Ronald Weinland and the Repentance of a Prophet

For many, July 16th was the final day of the window of time wherein Ronald Weinland would be tested. If his predictions/prophecies came to pass within that window, he would be a true prophet. If not, false.

A recent development has changed all that. Ronald Weinland recently wrote this post on his website, in which he declares he was presumptuous in his “45 to 90 days” statement - and that he no longer believes it is true.

…even though I have stated July 16 as a kind of deadline for the Second Trumpet, I am now deeply convinced that nothing concerning the trumpets will have occurred by that time…

In this June 19th post, Ronald Weinland states that the Second Trumpet could indeed occur within that time frame, but does not believe it will.

If the second trumpet sounds, with nuclear explosions in port cities, then everything will indeed be fully in line with what I’ve stated in the last interviews and in some sermons. But I do want to state again, I no longer believe that to be the case.

Why does he no longer believe that to be the case?

The bottom line is, I must follow what I believe God is showing me. If I have jumped the gun in a couple of interviews and interjected my own understanding into the timing of events, and have thereby been presumptuous, then I will repent and move forward.

So roughly 27 days before the Weinland Window was to close, Ronald Weinland pre-emptively states that there is a possibility he “jumped the gun”, “interjected his own understanding”, and was possibly “presumptous”.

Now this will provide much fodder for the Weinland-haters, who can gleefully point to this and say “Aha! He is a false prophet!” And to those who didn’t believe him from the start, this will indeed be a salve to their wounded egos.

However, to those undecideds and true believers, this will require a true testing of their faith. I have always wished to remain unbiased and impartial to this matter until there were more facts with which to make a complete decision. I must admit this was an unexpected development. By July 16th, I had wished to have this matter resolved. I had wished to know beyond a shadow of a doubt whether or not Ronald Weinland was indeed a true prophet.

Now, is Ron Weinland mortal and have human failings like all of us? Indeed. Is it possible that he interjected his own understanding into God’s message? Sure. No figure in biblical history was perfect; David wanted a woman and arranged her husband’s death; Moses killed an Egyptian; Adam disobeyed God; Peter denied Jesus.

Romans says that all have sinned. Even Ron Weinland. He is not perfect. Nobody should expect him to be. But he should also be acutely aware of the responsibility placed on his shoulders if he is indeed a prophet of God. People will take his words very seriously. If he declares himself a prophet of God and then passes off his own words as God’s message, that is very serious indeed. If what he says is true, how will the people be able to separate Ron Weinland’s understanding from God’s?

We stand at a point where all we have are words. World conditions are deteriorating, yes. Things are getting worse. But all that currently exists are Ronald Weinland’s words. As of this point in time, there is no unequivocal, clear proof of the fulfillment of his words. Could that be part of God’s plan? Certainly. Could it be God’s way of testing the faith of the people? It’s certainly possible. But we simply do not know yet.

As of this writing, another post has appeared on RonaldWeinland.com that promises an important topic for Saturday’s sermon:

It was mentioned in the sermon this past Sabbath that a sermon would be given on Sept. 30th (Feast of Trumpets) that would explain the 50th truth given to God’s Church in these end times. Since some have been pouring out their hearts to God concerning this matter, God is now mercifully granting that this sermon be given this coming Sabbath.

This sermon will explain why the final three and one-half years of tribulation has not yet begun. It will explain why the final sealing of the 144,000 has not yet occurred.

It is still too soon to determine whether Ron Weinland is a false prophet or not. We have no clear confirmation of his predictions nor unequivocal proof of his falsehood.

The people will continue to wait and see.

The Weinland Witness Forum

There has been a new forum created to foster discussion among undecideds and believers of Ronald Weinland. This forum is for honest dialogue and civil discourse.

Any who are interested should feel free to contribute their thoughts and opinions on Ronald Weinland and the times we’re living in.

Hope you enjoy!

The Weinland Witness Forum

Ronald Weinland and the Sounds of the Thunders - Part II

2008 - Gods Final Witness, page 95 states:

The Second Thunder is the increasing destruction generated by earthquakes.

Reuters:

TOKYO (Reuters) - A strong earthquake with a preliminary magnitude of 7 struck northern Japan on Saturday, NHK television reported.

2008 - Gods Final Witness:

The Third Thunder is the growing destructiveness from weather.

From the AP:

CEDAR RAPIDS, Iowa (AP) - Hospital patients in wheelchairs and on stretchers were evacuated in the middle of the night as the biggest flood Cedar Rapids has ever seen swamped more than 400 blocks Friday and all but cut off the supply of clean drinking water in the city of 120,000.As many as 10,000 townspeople driven from their homes by the rain- swollen Cedar River took shelter at schools and hotels or moved in with relatives.

…As of Friday, nine rivers were at or above historic flood levels…

…The flood this time didn’t just break records; it shattered them….

2008 - Gods Final Witness, page 100 states:

The Fifth Thunder is death. It is divided into three specific phases of death…

…The second phase will be a sudden escalation in the death of notable people in the world..

From the Washington Post:

Tim Russert, 58, collapsed while recording voiceovers for his Sunday morning interview program.

…the network said later that he was “stricken at the bureau” and subsequently died.

Earthquakes, Destructive Weather and Economic Upheaval - Ron Weinland and the Sounds of the Thunders

2008 - Gods Final Witness, page 95 states:

The Second Thunder is the increasing destruction generated by earthquakes.

Ron Weinland wrote that passage before the devastating 7.8 earthquake occurred in China, which is now estimated to have killed just under 70,000 people.

Yesterday I spoke about the 6.1 earthquake that struck in Greece, killing two people. And now, fresh off the AP news wire, we learn this:

RENO, Nev. - A months-long swarm of earthquakes picked up again Sunday as a string of minor temblors rattled Reno, causing downtown high-rises to sway and knocking items off walls and shelves.

There were no immediate reports of injuries or major property damage after about 20 minor quakes reported on the western edge of Reno over 12 hours ending about noon.

There have been many swarms reported in the Nevada area, prompting some to speculate whether or not they are perhaps a precursor to a larger event.

2008 - Gods Final Witness:

The Third Thunder is the growing destructiveness from weather.

This just in from CNN:

INDIANAPOLIS (AP) — Wicked weekend storms pounded the country from the Midwest to the East Coast, forcing hundreds of people to flee flooded communities, spawning tornadoes that tore up houses and killing at least eight people.

Rescuers in boats continued to pluck people from rising waters in Indiana on Sunday, a day after more than 10 inches of rain deluged much of the state.

2008 - Gods Final Witness:

The Fourth Thunder is global economic upheaval.

Oil keeps skyrocketing upwards and gas just hit a new record. Meanwhile, Jeff Nyquist has two excellent articles on the reasoning behind the obscene oil prices:

…peak oil is here. We’ve arrived at maximum global oil production. It means that oil production is going to decline in a few years or months. It means that America’s global dominance is coming to an end, and another era is about to be born. Money is being siphoned from the oil importing countries to the oil exporting countries at an accelerating rate. Most significant of all, the power bled from one great power is bound to accrue to another. Russia is an oil exporting country, and Russia’s strategic position is rapidly improving…

Regardless of Ronald Weinland’s validity, there is no denying that global conditions are rapidly deteriorating. As J.R. Nyquist said, the balance of power is shifting. America is not the mighty nation it once was. Our country is pounded by storms and tornadoes, earthquakes and flooding while our economy teeters on the brink of collapse. We have reached a point where the question becomes not if, but when.

It becomes more obvious with each approaching day that America’s congressional leaders are frozen into inaction because of political bickering and their failure to diagnose the problem. God has allowed this once great nation to understand that all blessings come from God, and without him there is nothing. For far too long, we have taken our prosperity for granted, thinking we are entitled to it, thinking we earned it somehow. We are about to learn this is far from the truth.

“..the Lord gave, and the Lord hath taken away; blessed be the name of the Lord.”

- Job 1:20

Pentecost and the Prophet - Ron Weinland on June 8

June 8th, 2008. Pentecost. We are now in the 52nd day of the Great Tribulation, according to Ron Weinland. There have been some minor events happening across the world. A 6.1 earthquake in Greece. A man went berserk in Japan. The price of gas hit 4$. Oil hit a new record.

However, no major disasters in America. No nuclear attacks. There are still 38 days left in Ron Weinland’s prediction. However, many of the anti-Weinland people are pointing to this quote as evidence of his falsehood:

If by Pentecost it is not powerfully and abundantly clear that there has been a great deal of destruction that will clearly encompass a third of all plant life in the US and at least the clear results of this mingled with blood the death of very much animal life and the beginning of large numbers of human life then I will stop preaching.

So the Ron Weinland-haters gleefully rub their hands together and exclaim “See? He’s a false prophet because all the plants are still alive!”

But they’re misunderstanding what he said - again. Willfully ignorant. Sigh.

What he’s saying is that by Pentecost you will see the beginning. Let your eyes grace that passage again:

..a great deal of destruction that will clearly encompass a third of all plant life…

That will clearly encompass. Something that has the potential to destroy a third of all plant life. He’s saying by Pentecost the beginning should be evident.

Now in the US, there’s been fires, flash flooding, and tornadoes. There’s been State-Of-Emergencies in several counties. Any one of those could be the “beginning” that “will clearly encompass” the death of 1/3 of plant life.

But in order to determine beyond a shadow of a doubt, 100% patience is required. A slow, calm, level-headed approach is necessary. That is the only way to know fully whether or not he was speaking truth. Those that possess an animal-like hatred for Ron Weinland will continue to distort and twist his statements in order to sow the seeds of doubt in the minds of the people.

But every man must decide for himself. Everyone with an interest must do their own research and make up their own minds. What do they see on the current world scene? Instability, yes - but are the synchronicities evident with Ronald Weinland’s words?

If Ron Weinland truly is God’s prophet, the remaining 38 days will tell. Many undecideds are losing patience. Some might let the ugly seeds of doubt and hatred sprout and take hold in their mind. Some are finding it difficult to remain unbiased and objective.

According to Ron Weinland, today is Pentecost, the day when God gave his people the gift of the Holy Spirit.

All that is left is to determine whether or not Ronald Weinland truly is God’s representative on earth. And that question should be answered by mid-July.

Fifth Verifiable Prophecy - Ron Weinland and the Fifth Trumpet

So the United States and its allies have endured a devastating natural disaster, followed by several tremendous nuclear attacks in ports and major inland cities. These events have caused massive death and confusion, with many more to come.

Then the sun loses a third of it’s light, and famine increases. Many millions die. To those who are still alive, what can they expect? We turn to the Fifth Trumpet.

The Book of Revelation, Chapter 9:

And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

2008 - Gods Final Witness, page 121:

The blast from the Fifth Trumpet will announce the emergence of a great political power and a great religious power on earth. This trumpet will announce the first great “woe” on the earth. The prophetic description covers many overlapping, unfolding, and interacting highlighted events in the final three and one-half years of man’s self-rule.

The highlights of this Fifth Trumpet include:

• The emergence of Satan and his large army of demons to great power
• The emergence of great power wielded by the Roman Catholic Church and the Pope
• The emergence of a fully-united European union of ten nations
• The emergence of a colossal military might from this united European union and the destruction of several hundred million people by it

• The protection of God’s elect and the torment and trying of those who have refused to repent in the environs of God’s scattered church

All these events begin once the fifth trumpet is sounded.

The European Union bands together more forcefully than before, and comes together to lend the power of ten nations as one. They have great military might in NATO, economic might in the EURO, and religious might in the Catholic Church. According to Ron Weinland, this is the seventh prophetic revival of the Holy Roman Empire that will lead directly to WWIII.

Satan and his army of demons will be able to wield greater influence and power than before, and God will allow them to wreak even greater destruction for a little while.

And they had a king over them who is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon[destruction], but in the Greek tongue he has the name Apollyon[destroyer].

-Revelation 9:11

The Forty-Fifth Day - Ronald Weinland and June 1st

So it is the first of June, and we have reached the forty-fifth day of the First Trumpet, according to Ronald Weinland. There have been those who have called Weinland a false prophet; I have not. I have exercised and cautioned patience because after listening closely to Ronald Weinland’s words, I determined it was too early to make a decision either way.

However, we are now in an important phase. Ron Weinland has predicted/prophesied a certain level of destruction in the United States - within the next 45 days. Although part of it might be spiritual, there is a definite physical element to this destruction - hence something that can not easily be missed.

This should be something quite easy to verify. One-third of plant life - dead. Some animals - dead. Some people - dead.

Unlike the previous thunders, or seals, which aren’t very specific in their nature or location, this is a prediction that can either be confirmed or debunked. I don’t think Ronald Weinland has to do anything - to the contrary, if he speaks the truth, God will do it for him. He shouldn’t have to do anything but speak the truth and his words should be fulfilled. Only time will tell now. We will wait and watch the next 45 days, and I shall periodically update with any information I feel is relevant.

True or false, let the nature of a prophet be known.

Apocalyptic America - A Vision of the World Ronald Weinland has Prophesied

From ThisIsLondon:

Washington is laid to waste. The Capitol is a blackened, smoking ruin. The White House has been razed. Countless thousands are dead.

This is the apocalyptic scene terrorists hope to create if they ever get their hands on a nuclear bomb.

The computer-generated image below was posted on an Islamic extremists’ website yesterday.

The Mirror:

“The idea of killing lots of people, this idea is available to us.

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“It must be used under the idea of treating others the same, so I say that terror in their countries must involve human losses and these human losses must be with WMD.”

Fourth Verifiable Prophecy - Ronald Weinland and the Fourth Trumpet

Ronald Weinland has stated that the four trumpets will, cumulatively, bring the United States to its knees, effectively erasing it as the premier superpower of our era. This will also end the United Kingdom’s existence as a world power with major clout.

The Book of Revelation, Chapter 8, Verse 12:

And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

2008 - Gods Final Witness, page 120:

The cumulative effect from the first three trumpet blasts will be announced by this fourth blast, which will cause much more destruction. By this time, over one-third of the population of the United States, the United Kingdom and their closest allies will have died.

Many more will continue to die from the results of this fourth event. Weather conditions will be horribly altered on earth as a result of one-third of the sun’s light no longer being able to warm the earth and give light. Plant life and normal growing cycles will not be sustained by the sun as in the past.

This will result in immediate famine over many areas of the earth. The effects from the Fourth Trumpet blast will results in far greater death - again - tens of millions.

At this point in time, the United States has absorbed the impact of a devastating natural disaster. In addition to that, America and it’s allies have endured nuclear attacks and one-third of their respective populations are dead. According to Ron Weinland, this fourth trumpet blast is the coupe de grace - the proverbial nail in the coffin.

Unlike the first three trumpets, which Ron Weinland has extrapolated extensively on, very little has been said about the exact nature of this event. However, the effects are clear. The sun loses one-third of its power and cannot warm the earth as in past times. This causes massive famine and starvation and by extension, the deaths of tens of millions.

Revelation 8:13 -

Then I looked, and I heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, “Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabitants of the earth because of the trumpet blasts from the three angels who are yet to sound!”

2008 - Gods Final Witness, page 120:

The expression “woe” refers to dire consequences that will be far more destructive in the world. There are three “woes,” which refer to the events that will follow in the last three trumpet blasts.

The downfall of the United States and her closest allies will lead to a great power vacuum in the world; nations will race to fill the void. Many areas of the world, that have been held at bay by the influence of the United States and her closest allies, will now be determined to accomplish their will on others. They will be held back no longer.

North Korea is free to invade South Korea. China can attack Taiwan. Many other countries with territorial disputes are free to invade and attack without fear of repercussions from America. This is the end of the United States as a deterring force and the end of America as the superpower of the world.

The Weinland Window - Ronald Weinland and the Test of a Prophet

Like I’ve said before, there are those who have declared Ronald Weinland a false prophet. Some said it weeks ago. Some said it months ago. Some said it immediately.

But as I’ve said before here, here, and here, they were early every single time. Their standards were too low. They didn’t really take the test seriously. Rejecting a potential prophet is not a flippant decision you make. What if he really is the real deal? Do you really want to incur God’s wrath by potentially rejecting his messenger?

That is why I’ve advocated patience multiple times. I have wanted to resolve this as much as the next person, but I have also known that their declarations were premature. The time is coming, I’ve said. We will know soon, I’ve said.

Well, that time is here. The Bible says to test the fruits of potential prophets. If what they predict comes true, then they are the real deal. We are swiftly approaching a window of time where Ronald Weinland’s words will be tested.

That window of time is June 1st to July 16th. Ronald Weinland has specifically predicted a level of destruction in America within this window of time. Now is the time to test his words. We will wait and watch throughout this period of time.

The test of a prophet begins. June 1st is approaching swiftly. Ron Weinland is either true or false.

We will know soon.