Here is Ronald Weinland’s interpretation of the Second Trumpet described in Reveltion.
From the Book of Revelation, Chapter 8, Verse 8:
And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;
And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.
We turn to Ronald Weinland’s book, 2008 – Gods Final Witness, page 118:
This event will take place primarily over water, but its effect will also decimate much of the coastline of the United States, the United Kingdom and some of their allies, including the complete destruction of some cities. A third of all the waters within the boundaries of these countries will become lifeless; everything will die in these areas. This death will include a third of all the people on boats and ships. However, there will be hundreds of thousands who will die on the coastal areas of these same regions.
Although it’s not mentioned in the book, Ronald Weinland mentioned on several radio shows lately that this event will be nuclear weapons detonated in ports.
So according to Ronald Weinland, the Second Trumpet will be nuclear weapons detonated in port cities. These nukes will render a third of all life in the waters lifeless. People, animals, and boats – everything.
In addition to this, hundreds of thousands who live on the coastal areas will die as well.
Here’s a quote from Ronald Weinland regarding the Second Trumpet(Mike Mcconnell Show):
“Well, the first time they will blame the burning up of the plants and grass on global warming, but when nuclear weapons go off they can’t blame that on global warming.
During this first stage – the forty-five to ninety days – that’s exactly what people will do.
But after that period of time, it’s going to change dramatically as terrorism begins to take place in this country because we have four trumpets that are going to take place here over six months to a year’s period of time.
And as they take place it’s going to bring the United States to its demise.”
Note: Ronald Weinland recently mentioned that the Second Trumpet cannot sound until after Pentecost. According to his church’s website here, Pentecost is June 8.
I’d consider the spiritual aspect of human deaths in this trumpet as a way non-believers would continue, but cannot say anything spiritual about the animals or plant-life that will be destroyed. It should be a verifiable prediction; however, still, not everyone will understand it. Mankind’s pride is so big, they cannot be wrong, Weinland cannot be right – wrong, Weinland is right, and shall continue until Christ’s return.
I just read an article this morning that verifies this prophecy, but will probably be used as proof of falsehood: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45313
It will be interesting to see how this pans out.
Scary article sisterri. You right even warned most will not listened after all this starts to happen. Look at all the signs we have now and they just laugh in our faces. People are clueless about what is going on. I tell my family about things going on in the world and they say, “so what”.
Did you hear about the US postal service finding Beatles the size of Dollars live being shipped from Indonesian to USA (pa I think). They opened up the packages after the hear scratching. They said they found six different separate packages. These Beatles are known for destroying all local crops.
Yes, I know about the beetles in PA – close to home for me. I try to talk to my family too, and they ignore me. I’ve cut contact with some, with a request that if they humble themselves with God, they can contact me again, but they still don’t get it. I figure the longest I’ll have this contact cut while they are alive is about 3 years. If they don’t humble themselves, I’ll see them in 1004 years!
I hate being alone. But better to be alone and in good graces than with anyone who is against God.
sisterri, your definately not alone. like minded people are out there but unfortunatley hard to come buy. my bf thinks im a nut along with others around me. but for that one person who is willing to listen it is worth getting mocked. i have a house in pa to, i have stocked up on foods n such n found that wheat grass, hemp powder, and spirulina powder would be good food substitues. Grapefruitseed extract, collidal silver could all be found on ebay and would be good to have on hand.i spend most of my time in queens ny and realize i could be gathering all this stuff for mabe someone eles who stubles on my house in these times. if i get caught out here due to marshal law o even killed its all ok cause its part of gods plan. i must amit though, i do get scared sometimes. here are some websites to check out.
infowars.com
http://www.radiationdetox.com/ebook/0707RadiationDetox.pdf
http://www.greatdreams.com/survival.htm
http://stevequayle.com/index1.html
I live in pa also. If you guys would like to get in touch you could visit me at youtube and leave me a message at masn1978. I’ll send you a private message with my e-mail/phone number.
I feel alone also, that is why I was looking for a way to talk to others out there. There is no other members for at least 2 hours away fro me. And I really can’t talk to anyone in my family seriously about it. Friends, well I’ll just say I am a pretty sincere person and I can’t stand fake relationships so, I’ve let pretty much let all my friends go. Now I have warned the closest of them but they are just pretty confused right now.
Rachel about your links, I want to tell you more but not on this blog out of respect for Citizen x.
I keep on thinking about the nukes and then I get started worrying because the first trumpet isn’t finished yet. I’m guessing the finish will be a massive break out of the bird Flu or something like it. I was thinking it before because Ron suggested it before, but today we was talking about it again (death of animals and birds and some humans not specifically “the bird flu”).
But that doesn’t explain the 1/3 of all plant life unless that would be covered with the nukes (and fires).
And of course it could be a huge volcano that is created near Oregon and some massive earthquake that destroys a lot of that area. Than with the heat waves fires began to spread at a unheard rate. These all could be plausible with what has been happening lately.
By the way does anyone think planet x, etc. has any chance of being one of the first 4 trumpets or is it is just another bunch of bull created by the great deceiver and his groupies, like aliens and 2012. It seems like Ron is not supporting anything like that so far. I did read somewhere that if plant x was suppose to be crossing the sun on Dec. 2012 than most destruction by poler shifts, etc would be in 2009 when it passed the earth. Well, maybe Satan is telling us a partial truth like he does sometimes (“one truth and a hundred lies”), and the earth will actually do what they are saying for 2012 in 2011 which will coincides with Christs return and a new world. That would mean that the massive destruction planned for 2009 would actually happen really soon. That would explain all of the other things happening right now (i.e. exstream weather and earthquakes, etc.).
I have plans on going to Virginia’s Pentecost services. Perhaps I’ll see some of you folks there?
I personally have too much study time with the mp3 files left to do than to look at any other human being’s study. There’s plenty of prophecy intermingled with just plain good stuff to learn from Ron’s sermons.
hi sisterri,
i to listen to ron weinlands sermons. I am new to realy knowing how and what holidays we are realy required to celebrate. His sermons are quite fasinating. I actualy podcast all of them. I have so much to learn. I would like to get in touch but i am not so computer savy so when i went on utube i wasnt allowed to creat an account. i tried a couple of times. I was told i shouldnt post my email but hey who cares,,,,u could email me at oceanharvester@aol.com. It would be cool if we where close by. I tryed to warn people this weekend. At first everyone loves me but then i talk about this stuff n u know the rest. Im sorry and dont mean any disrespect to citizen x. There is one question i have regarding one of rw comments on there not being a heaven or hell. i belive i heard this on an interview of his but this idiot ziggybeats said this to and was wondering what he ment by it. people love to tke things out of context and change words around but i do my homework.
im sorry i dont mean to call anybody names, i just get so pissed when people mock rw. i find it easy to belive in him, and find it easy to belive gods way is the best way. i just cant understand why our human condition is to go against. Ziggybeats is well educated but sometimes we need to look at ourselves and realize when it comes to preaching we all want to be prophets.
http://visz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index.php?lang=eng
check this out this is so cool
rachel, It sounds like you’re just getting started. Have you been to http://www.cog-pkg.org/faq/ yet?
rachel:
“There is one question i have regarding one of rw comments on there not being a heaven or hell..”
Hello, Rachel.
According to Ron Weinland, there is no such thing as hell. He said both the Greek word in the New Testament and the Hebrew word in the Old Testament mean the word “grave” in their respective languages.
Hence, when we die, we simply go to the grave. Not to heaven. Not to hell.
Now, Weinland does believe there is a heaven and that is where God resides. But he says when we die, we go to the grave and await one of the resurrections.
There are two resurrections described in Revelation. However, Ronald Weinland says there are three. One, at Jesus’ return. Two, at the end of the Millenium. Three, at the end of the Millenium and the Hundred Years.
(Note : I could be wrong about his position on this, as Sister pointed out. This is merely my understanding from what I’ve heard from Weinland.)
The 144,000 are resurrected in the first one. Everybody else is resurrected in the second and third. The third one is final.
According to Revelation, you are judged after the third resurrection and either granted immortality or entrance into the lake of fire. Your spirit essence dies in the lake of fire, essentially terminating your existence forever.
Now I haven’t seen much scriptural evidence supporting the Hundred Year theory, and maybe Sister can extrapolate more on this. But I’ve read Revelation many times, and only found two resurrections in it.
What RW teaches about heaven and hell is known by many, not just the “church of God”. You can very easily find scriptural evidence for this is you wish. But, most do not want truth so they would not even look if you tried to show them. I knew this truth before RW but the church who taught me this truth might have original gotten it from Armstrong even though they are not a splintered group. Saturday Sabbath is an example of another truth that is known by many others (relatively speaking)
As for the 100 years, it is not in the Bible but is a teaching of the prophet of God. The bible says “a short while”. So we will know this is a truth, to be taken as the bible when we are proven that RW is a true prophet of God.
I agree, there is no fiery place where bad people will live forever. Only beings (the bad angels) who have eternal life will live through the lake of fire and brimstone. Bad people, that is, those people who would rather live anywhere but with God, will die after a short time in the lake.
As far as resurrection is concerned, I haven’t heard of a 3rd. My best understanding, at this point, is that the 1st resurrection of the dead will be the 144,000. The second resurrection is at the end of the 1,000 year reign. Those who are baptized and live into the millennium (not members of the 144,000) will be translated following Jesus return. No death, no white throne judgment (these people may be the gentile court that was not to be measured in Revelation). Those living during the millennium, but not baptized, who die during this time, will be resurrected with the rest of the dead (who have not made up their minds upon initial death who they want to live with). Those who have already made up their minds that they do not want to live under God’s rule will be punished upon death. This is the judgment we face now. Satan shall be bound for the 1,000 years, but will collect people from the 2nd resurrection to join him against God one more time in the history of mankind.
If you haven’t checked it out yet, from http://www.cog-pkg.org/faq/ you can go to http://www.cog-pkg.org/faq/topics.aspx#toc to see the topics listed and the sermons to focus on to answer common questions.
thanks guys for this info. i downloaded every sermon of rons but havnt listened to them all. his view on heaven and hell confirms even more to me he is right. thanks again
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1317360,00.html?f=rss
Sisterri,
This part kind of confused me too, will the people who are baptized during the millennium be resurrected into the God Family (Elohim) at the end of the 1000 years, or will everybody during the 1000 years (baptized or not) be once again resurrected into human life for the 100 years?
Hi Truthbeliever12,
I understand it that those of us being brought to God’s truth now, will live into the Mill. and then we are resurrected after the 1000 years into a second life (physical body) once again.
Then we can see our family and friends again and help them grow as we grow and mature even more into godly character. How exciting that is!!!
I just cannot wait for Jesus’ return.
I try not to think to much about the destruction & suffering that must however come first.
I am only 28 and single, so I get to start my family in God’s era!!! It is like a dream come true for me.
I used to day dream about something similar when I was a kid, but thought that would never be possible.
How so wrong I was!
rachel,
Thanks for the web site. I will check it out.
truthbeliever12,
The way I understand it, from what RW said last Saturday & Revelation scripture, is that >if you are alive now< – you must humble yourself to God and repent or die, according to your sins, permanently. Repent to the Eternal One of not following His laws. Then, do your best not to break them, and repent every night after, because you will break them.*
If you are not one of the 144,000, of which most of us aren’t, yet you’ve repented, you will live into the millennium. If you are baptized, and intend to live with Yahweh and His Son for eternity, when you are “trained” completely after Christ’s return and before death, you will be translated. Any who are born during the millennium and are baptized and fully “trained” before death will be translated as well. You will all avoid the white throne judgment, because you are members of the church, are part of the body of Christ:
Rev 11:1-2a And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles.
(b belongs to verse 12)
The temple itself is the 144,000. The outer court is the other members of the church.
I’ve listened to all of the Sermons posted, at least once (meaning hardly at all), but I don’t recall Ron mentioning these 2 verses of Revelation at all. It fits with all he has said, though. During the 1000 years, we will need all the help we can get to prepare the planet for the last 100 years. If they have died before completion of their “training” those that were baptized who are not part of the 144,000 still won’t be resurrected until the last 100 years.
South Africa 28,
I thought I had heard what you said before Ron’s last service, but combining his message with the scripture – I believe is mega-awesome!!
God’s plan, though, always is the best.
*Go to this site: http://www.cog-pkg.org/faq/
Thank-you Sisterri and South Africa 28, it was very helpful.
South Africa 28,
I too am only 18 yrs old and single and look forward to many of things you do as well.
There is also another question that kind of confused me that was asked by a family member of mine that I couldn’t answer. The question was, are their miracles that happen to people on earth. For instance, if a patient is somehow cured of cancer or some illness and there is no rational explanation, is that from God, Satan trying to deceive, or just a mere coincidence? Does God ever perform miracles to that extent for people on earth?
Hey truthbeliever,
That is awesome to hear how young you still are. You can still experience so much of your life in God’s era, how truly blessed we are as we get to raise family in a era when evil is not permeating every crevice of this world!!! I cannot wait!
Regarding your question I do not know myself, so lets hope someone can answer that for us.
Sisterri thanks for that info, I will check it out. Which sermon did you hear it on so I can go back to it?
I also have listened to each sermon once, and know that I only hear most probably a quarter of it. There is still so much to get through, never mind the task of going back and repeating a sermon 2 or 3 times.
I have done it with some so far, like the 49 truths. As I find it is still so much info to get into my head.
So it is good talking this way because others always seem to hear more or what you might have missed. And then one can go back and know what it is to seek out.
Truthbeliever12 are you in the USA? When did God bring you to his truth?
truthbeliever12,
According to Ron W, the “miracles” that happen during the tribulation are from Satan. I no longer believe in coincidence. I’ve done a lot of praying myself for total healing, and have not gotten it. When Jesus comes, I hope he’ll heal me then. Current “healings” are removal of evil feelings by evil beings to make the evil being look “good.” Otherwise, I’d say, like cancer patients, it’s from removal of the “smoke detector” – the alarm system, not healing at all.
South Africa 28,
It was last Sabbath’s service, May 24th. I look forward to going through all the sermons (of which their is next to no repetition) again, after I catch up to current once more!
I was just listening to the 10/04/07 Total Resolve sermon and realized RW had read verses 1 and 2 of Revelation 11. He did not go into any detail except for verse 1 where he talked about the sealing of the 144,000. Verse 2 he pretty much just read. He did not split it as I have, either. This doesn’t discount my theory, but alters my note slightly.
Hi everybody. It is great to hear your stories. I am 30 by the way.
I guess after today’s sermon we should be careful about what we discuss for somethings are just not given to us yet and speculation might misguide some.
As for the mill. I asked my elder and his wife who have been friends with Ron since before the church was spewed out of God’s mouth, specifically about such things. My answer is that somethings are not given yet. i.e. will the people who live into the mill die and be resurrected, transfered or die for good?
But, the way what I understand is very close or exsacly how Sisterri exsplained. The important thing to remember is that God is merceful yet he is not playing games with people. If God gives us the oppertunity to have the Holy Spirit and truth (as everyone in the mill. will have) and we still reject his way thinking God will give us a second chance we should ask if God gave the fallen angles a second change? – no
About mirricles, as I understand he will be performing them but differently from what we are used to. It will be more like parting of the red sea to persearve his people and not like speaking in tongues and healing to spread the gospel. This is a different time and we will see God working according to the times and what he is trying to accomlish. The biggest mirricle for me is to see and understand God working within me and him giving me the ears to hear and eyes to see.
I do not want to say that God will not cure or heal people becouse we don’t know, but we do know that God’s prophets and ministers will not be going around healing people like they did in the early church and when Christ walked with us. This is given to us by RW and the reason is that God is fulfilling a different purpose now, not starting the church, but judgment of man. And God is working inside us through the Holy Spirit by Christ, he does not need to use these other methods.
We should remember that all good comes from God. Satan (and demons) can not cure people but only create physical problems and diseases and then come out or stop the pain or symptoms to confuse. It is not that they are commanded by other demons or Satan to come out but they choose to manifest themselves differently.
Also, God will only heal if it fits his purpose and will.
i know that the serpent is on the medical emblem because it is one of satans great deceptions. i do not consider myself a women of much knowledge but as i recall the bible says we are given every seed for food and medicine. there is a natural cure for evey disease but we are under ugenics. we are commanded not to mingle our blood with animals blood but vaccinations are just that. we have fallen so far away from our roots. fasting is someting we do to not only grow spirutualy closer to god but to heal ourselves (another subject i am mocked on). there are many herbs and detoxes we need to do to keep ourselves healthy. what good are we to fight against satan if we are sick. i know we are suppose to be vibrant and healthy till way after 80 and are brainwashed to belive we disinegrate with age.
I was feeling too wise lately. Way too wise. Thank you truthseeker. It occurs to me that the only information I have from God is filled up by Ron’s, Wayne’s, Johnnie’s and Terry’s sermons since 2001 and maybe 5 Armstrong books. I’ve only been with God & Jesus for about 7 months now – that is, the real God and the real Jesus. I’ll be studying for ever, and loving it! I know God has given me enough wisdom to know some things, but no more speculation from me would be best.
Thanks too, for commenting on the millennium. I hadn’t even considered those who died not coming back. But it does make sense. If those born in the millennium would be changed/metamorphed (I used translated and was wrong – sorry) before death, if they have chosen to live with God, then those adults who choose anything but God, would die, period, even without being exposed to Satan. Our greatest sin comes from within – pride/self-centeredness, this part is fair, too. So, are you saying that our prophet has said that judgment has come for all adults alive now and forever, and the white throne judgment is for those who died before the tribulation or as children during the millenium? If we still have free will, is it possible to die during the millennium without being changed, after choosing to live with God, but dying before being trained?
The following are a few related scriptures, but it appears God does not want us to know for sure yet, because I haven’t been able to find anything for sure that relates to whether or not Gentiles will be changed before the first death.
Rev 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
1Co 15:51-52 Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall
sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Mat 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Hi Sisterri, that is a lot to respond to but I will try. What I understand is we are all be judged during the great tribulation. When I think about all I have done I know I and as well as all others acording to God’s perfection deserves death. By working with his chosen God is giving some of us the ability to see, know, understand God. This is so we can be a part and help rebuild the world under his new government.
Ron has said that if God is calling you and you are young than you will probably live into the new age. If you are old and part of the 144,000 than you will probably die. He also said that people from the scattered church would be resurrected and they had God’s spirit and then lost it. These help lead me in my understanding, but since I do not know all of God’s plan,my understanding is certainly fallible. I would think that all very wicked people like the Adolf Hitler’s (although, I think AH was possessed most of his political life, as he practiced black magic heavily) and others like him that are willingly too far gone will not be resurrected. I believe all others would be resurrected into the Great White Thrown (contrary to what the JW’s believe). So, if God is not calling you right now and you died now or any time in the Tribulation you will be resurrected. If God is calling you and you died you would be resurrected (if part of God’s plan). But, now if for some reason God is calling you and you willingly go against God, an example, if you are going through a horrible time and you want to commit suicide and God tells you draw close to him and trust in him and we refuse and continue in our plan, than I’m not so sure if God would resurrect you. If we live into the mill. or are born into it and die we might be resurrected if it was part of God’s plan to show us something. It would really depend on how God plan is. The principal would be the same though. The way of God’s is life the way away is death. I seem to think that we will contine to age grow old and die, since this is a big incentive for us to strive towards imortality.
But, anyway that point would be to be honest with your self. If God is leading you to change than do what God is leading us to do. Don’t resist God, repent and walk in his way. I think God will have mercy to teach people the keys to life than allow everyone to attain them if they want to. For the people who resist God, how can God help them?
This probably didn’t help, because my explanation is all over the place and has holes through it because I’m still putting the peices togeather.
God has so much more to reveal to us and it is very exciting.
by the way Sisterri, when I was listening to the sermon last week when Ron addressed the church about speculating I felt that it was directed to me because I was guilty of if. I was just sharing with everyone interested because it seemed appropriate at the time. But, by no means was I directing it to anyone, except mostly me. It is amazing to see God working through us.
Rachel, Ron talks about the snake in his book and a couple of sermons. Very interesting. God showed me yesterday after listening to a sermon that eastern thought and natural therapy gives people (at least me and my old circle) a self righteousness attitude parallel to Job’s righteousness before YHWH started working with him. It was man’s righteousness. And all of man’s ways are selfish (prideful, wicked) and not of God. An Example would be, I am a vegetarian, practice yoga and never get sick. This is something “I” did by myself. This is a pride that is visibly disgusting in it’s exstream, but in mild form looks good. But, God is showing us that everything good comes from him and if we do something “good” ourselves, then it is man’s righteousness and to say the least it will not lead to YHWH nor immortality.
Hope you get my point and it doesn’t seem preachy because that was not my purpose, I just wanted to share something that was shown to me that I found very interesting, wonderful and important (for me in my life) and you happened to write about the same topic.
take care
its amazing how god works with us to confront of us our sinful nature. As i listen to rons sermons i sometimes daydream. sometimes of the world to come (positive), and sometimes negative. this particular moment i was visualizing the bombs going off and everyone i love being shocked. i saw my family come to me crying and me saying (crying) i told u this would happen. At that moment i tuned back in to the sermon and ron was saying how he despises this spirit. i am constantly trying to correct my thoughts according to gods values and hate that i would ever think like this. i just wonder if people belived would they do things different in there present life and i rather see that. my question is, if the only way god can work through u is only if your baptized, then how is it through the past years my life has been transformed the way it has? i feel i have been tried and tested and i know i could not have changed on my own. i am not baptized and i would like to be but i live with my boyfriend. generational curses such as drug addictions, lust, pshyciatric problems and more have been lifted from my life. i feel now that all the hardships was just to prepare me for whats to come. as of now all of my dreams and wants come true. watever i visualize becomes reality. i feel as if god is saying “rachel, enjoy life for this little time before desrtuction hits”.
i know (or am i assuming?) that nowhere in the bible does it say a ceremony consimates a marriage in god eyes. i belive that we are suppose to live by the laws of the land but arent they allowing gay marriages ect?whats even worse (about being confused on gods laws in marriage) is that i know your not suppose to be unequally yoked, and i am. whenever i speak of the bible or about ron i get bumbarded with sarcassim. i thought to myself mabe gods working with him throuhg me,but its far fetched.
is not being baptized crippiling me from becoming closer to god? i cry everyday to be forgiven of my sins and live more like friends with my bf (like this matters?). my bf always sends me blogs of what people say negative about ron. i listen to ron so i know the truth but my bf says i could never get baptized because ron charges to much. is this true? i emailed the church of god international and asked them about being baptized by them but havent gotten a response. thanks guys for all the info, i enjoy reading theses blogs.
rachel,
I do believe and think God works with everybody to a certain point. My understanding is limited. But what I do know is that the Holy Spirit leaded us all( in the church-pkg) to the point of getting baptized. And I think that when people in the great white thrown look back at there first life they will be able to see how god “worked” in their life to make them realize many things to help them. But, in my experience I definitely felt/know their is a difference before and after Baptism. This, I was not expecting and was even skeptical about before. You don’t notice it immedently like in one moment but more like after about a week you look back and realized that your relationship with God has changed. Then you realize that you understand so much more than you used to. Than you know when to repent so much faster, a lot of times immedently and then feel dirty when you don’t. Then you realize that these changed started happening when you were baptized. I think it’s when you start to learn and begin knowing God. I also, think that since we will be entering into a new time when we will not always have sermons to guide us that we will need to rely completely on the Holy Spirit.
About the other thing. Let, me just warn that God is not playing with people. Obviously something in not clear in your mind and most likely it’s because of denial. First pray for God to show you truth with as much clarity as possible. You must seek God, since it is warned and I have experienced that, if you turn against God he will stop working with you and you will become spiritually dead.
Next thing I want to tell you is that when ever you are in a situation that makes it hard, impossible to keep God’s commandments (it is a commandment that you are not to have sex out side of marriage) or at least you can not see the way out you must do two things. First, know and communicate with God that you want to keep his commandments and then second go to him and ask for him to show you the way. If you repent in the name of Jesus Christ you can ask for anything that is consistent with God’s plan and he will give that to you. Example, my job says that I have to work on the Sabbath. My income supports my whole family. I can give up or ask God to deliver me from this problem by helping me to find a better job that I do not have to work on the Sabbath or that the place where I currently work change their policy to allow me to take it off. If I give up than that is it. If I pray, repent and seek help from God so that I can keep his commandments, than he will solve my problem and I will be able to keep his law and will understand God better and start a relationship of trust with him.
I do want to stress that my understanding tells me that if we do not seek to know and live by the truth than we will die and not make it into the next mill. God has currently chosen to work with you, obviously not your BF. That may change and if it does it will probable be through your example. But for now, you need to seek your own heart. Do you want the Truth or do you want to enjoy for what little time we have left. By the way, that’s the god of this world telling you to enjoy, aka Satan. I have exspirence with that also. You may not be able to see your way out of this situation and that is percisly time that you should go to God, but remember God will not hear you untill you repent (means change the way you think).
Ron Weinland is either the prophet of God or he isn’t. The Bible is either the word of God or it isn’t. It’s all true or it’s not of God. No half truths. It is in the Bible and addressed by the church of God-PKG that we are not to have relations out side of marrage and that we are to tithe 10% to God among other laws. God says in the Bible that you are not giving God 10% of your income but you are giving back 10% of what God gave to you and is to use for his purposes. It was all his before because he created and sustains everything. He could just take it, or just give all resources to where he is working but he chooses to give us the privliage to give to God. When I got that book(s) in the mail it was because of others giving to God. I am privlaged to be able to help others learn about two end time wittnesses and how God is working now. I don’t think that is charging too much.
I like to pray for God to heal my body and exspecially my mind. We are so far off in this world today. Our minds need healing. We are to obey the laws of the land unless it goes against God’s Law. Homosexuality is against God’s law according to the Bible (Anyone who doesn’t like what I just said, sorry I didn’t write the Bible but only paraphrased it). Therefor we are not to engage in Homosexuality which would include “marrage” with someone of the same sex. Marrage is just a peice of paper if you don’t fear God and keep his comandments. The law of the land does not cancel out God’s laws.
It is not seeking God and the Truth that will “cripple” the world. If you do seek God than you will seek to be one of his children. If you seek this you will than seek to keep his commandments. Than you will naturally progress to Baptism. I’m sure that PKG is only helping those who are keeping God’s basic commandments because time is short. Only, those who seek God with all there hearts and mind will have a chance to live and build a new world. One can also pray for sincerity and help in this and all matters.
I pray that God will show us his truths and ways so that we might be called the children of God. Amen
Hello Rachel & Truthseeker,
I just wanted to say Rachel hearing your story made me sad for you as I know what you are saying and have a vague idea of what eyes you may be using to view things these days.
I was in a similar situation.
I know that through out my life God has been leading me to him.
I would cry out to him from an early age as I never liked this world and felt depressed by it.
He would hear me lead me out of what it is I was in and then I would turn away (without realizing it) and get myself trapped in somewhere else again.
This went on for 27 years. I was in a relationship for 7 years with my previous boyfriend who I loved. I knew that it was wrong as the bible tells us the reason for marriage is so we do not awaken something that God will not protect.
That unnatural love is not want God intended for us. He wants us to be in a marriage which is a sacred covenant that he blesses. It stops us from getting hurt and from our partner getting hurt.
So I just avoided the issue, until I could no longer. I had to break up with my boyfriend a little over a year ago, and I felt like dying. The pain was unbearable. But God got me through it even though I did not want to talk to him, as I knew he had brought this about. (I was very immature, but that is ok, God needs us to be like children when we start off).
Anyway after a year I started to talk to him again as the pain was better and I had missed my talks with him terribly
I prayed that he would make me a Christian as I cannot do it in my own strength. I had tried a few times over the years growing up – but always went back to where I felt secure in the world.
In Feb this year he showed me his truth and almost immediately I was humbled.
I had never felt God in my life as I did on that day.
I am so thankful I cannot stop crying about it at odds still.
I am also not baptised, although I would truly love to be, it is just I am in South Africa and there is no one able to baptise me. So I know that God still using the holy spirit to guide me so that I can continue to repent of my sin everyday and follow God truth into the mill. when I will be able to be baptised.
I really hope that you hear what we have said here and you will take it to God in earnest pray, so that he can lead you on to the right path.
He used my cousin who is a Christian but not of God true church, to lead me out of my sinful relationship.
He also showed me how much I was hurting my boyfriend by having a relationship like this.
I hope that I have made sense here. I just really wanted to reach out because I know where you are and if you choose God way, it will not be easy, but oh so WORTH IT!!!!
thanks for sharing. God also started worked with me through anouther church, than many. I also had to make big changes in my life over a year ago. So glad I did because I would not have ended up where I am now. I wrote about this in greater detail somewhere else on this site.
Is there no body in Africa? I have in laws but my husband thinks I’m crazy so he will not warn them. By the time he sees the truth I hope it’s not too late.
What about someone in Australia? Anyway it doesn’t matter because it is God’s will and he will save millions that haven’t been baptized, yet. Also, there is one part of the Bible where a family of gentiles (first time for gentiles) received the Holy Spirit before being Baptized. This was to help show the church that Gentiles should also become baptized and part of the church. We need to trust God for everything and I think it is good that you desire to be baptized.
I pray for your safety and that many people in your area to be called out.
Hi Truthseeker,
No when I contacted the church back in Feb, they informed me there is no one located in Africa since the apostasy.
There are people in Australia as I hear about them on sermons, but we are still very far apart.
Yes, I pray for more people to come out of South Africa too.
It’s lonely
I can imagine. Even for me it’s lonely. These days I have nothing to say to the world for to them everything I have is foolishness. Most of my friends were international and college friends and I always hated idol talk, yet this is all I’m left with, even with my family. But, I really think this is a different time compared to before the apostasy and there is a reason for what we are going through. I think it will help us through the tribulation because God is teaching us how to depend on his Holy Spirit.
Hi Truthseeker,
I agree, for me this is all new as God only brought me to the truth in Feb.
However I am leaning on him everyday for my strength.
Since Feb I have been through quite abit as in the ways of trials but I still keep smiling each day as God allows me to.
I just cannot wait for this to all be over with and for the return of Jesus Christ and Goodness to return to this world.
People blow my mind these days as to how evil they can be.
Really breaks my heart!
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Last time I looked, there were 10 less notes on this article. Wow! And apologies to all who thought I was snubbing them.
I’m going to start with Rachel’s 6/1 note:
Years ago, I discovered something was wrong with my diet, and tried my best to correct it. It hasn’t been but recently, that I realized our problems are stemming from lack of Biblical knowledge. This information could do so much for me, but not living alone or anywhere near other body members, I have big-time problems following a more & more raw and less & less processed approach. Thank you, rachel, I didn’t realize the immunizations blood-mingling. Aaah! Well, I do my best to stay away from all medications, including aspirin. I’m not sickly, but I’m not “healthy” either.
truthseeker, 6/4
Thank you so much for your response to my note.
Ron said that some, not all from the scattered church would be part of the 144,000. Less than 3000 I believe. I think, too, he said that only those who know God and reject Him will die. In other words, Hitler would have had to have been a church member and then rejected the spirit, the power of God, in order to be condemned already. That would save people like Marilyn Manson, too.
rachel, 6/4
Yes, baptism of both water and spirit (not fire) is needed. Repentance is needed – think differently. We must be clean for the Eternal to live/dwell in us. I still feel a little as you do, but find as I grow with God’s power, listening to Him speaking through Ron Weinland, my feelings disappear. For example, Ron loves to say that to repent is to think differently. Yet, I have a plack that I had written “think differently” on, back in the 90’s. I never heard of Ron Weinland or the Church of God until 2007! If you’d go to the site I’ve named a few times, read the first page, then look through the topics. You’re right about not being able to live with your boyfriend – either get married or get away. Honestly, I’ve looked at fornication as adultery for a while now. You are being called, will your answer be yes? God will visit people with thoughts, but cannot live with them without them being clean.
I believe a vow makes a proper marriage in God’s eyes. RW just performed one of the world’s quickest weddings for his son a couple weeks ago. We should follow any law that is not against God’s law. In other words, we pay taxes, we don’t steal. Gay marriages violate God’s law. A minister of God would not perform such a ceremony. If you want to be equally yoked, you will marry someone in the church. God calls people at different times. What I’ve had trouble realizing is that He does not work through us except as examples – keep quiet/live right. You can’t help your boyfriend anymore than I can help my family. It is up to us to show the rest of the world how to live – not to tell them.
Yes, being unclean cripples you from getting closer. Just know that baptism doesn’t change you from all sins immediately – but Yahweh is so patient, I pray he’ll keep me.
It seems you e-mailed the wrong church. Look up the web site I’ve been posting (cog-pkg).
truthseeker, 6/6
Amen!
South Africa 28, 6/9
I also live in a lonely state, but I don’t work, but I do drive!
South Africa 28, 6/12
Are you one that was mentioned in one of the sermons? I’ve written directly to Ron just a couple of times. Got mentioned, too, in a head-covering question. Not, of course, by name – grateful!
For anyone who’s interested in an excellent web location to start with, try http://www.cog-pkg.org/faq/
Hi Sisterri
“God will visit people with thoughts, but cannot live with them without them being clean.”
I really like this saying. It will serve me well to always remember it!
No I have not had the guts to write in yet to tell the church about my life turn around.
I am one of the silent parties who listens in and gets so excited when Mr Weinland reads out emails from all those being drawn to the truth.
As what they say is so closely related to what God did in my life, and so it gives you a stronger conviction that this really was from God (my reading the 2008 book that is), as I still find myself worrying every now again that I might be wrong and imagining it.
But then I look at the bigger picture and see it can only be God that brought about such radical changes in me.
But hearing those testimonies helps so much more.
Take care
I want to add sometimes if something is difficult for me in terms of repenting I will start with, “I hate this or I love this” thoughts in my mind. An example might be I have a hard time with my mouth, first swearing, second my temper. It is hard becouse it has been a habit. So first, when I realize that I have done something wrong than I will agnolage it in my mind. Sometimes I will even debate it “well it’s not so bad”. Then I’ll loose the holy spirit dwelling with me. Then I get really scared (I’m not usually scared, just when I go from God) and realize what has happened and think back on what I need to repent on. If I’m being smarter that day I just will repent the first time it comes in my mind. In repenting I will acknowlege that I was wrong and God is right and perfect and I want to be like God and be with God. Then I will say, “I hate this thing that I did or do.” “I hate my disgusting way”, than I will ask God to help me with this and make me as he is. When I think about it I will also think about feeling discusted and hateful to my sin (not in exstreams). This fealing and acnologment helps me to really change my mind. I might slip again and maybe again but aventialy, I will stop with the power of the Holy Spirit.
This also helps me to have humility. In stead of saying to myself, well I am better than someone becouse I do or think like this…(and sometimes I do have to correct myself), I will try to say instead, “I love …what ever it is…” Example, I try not to say or think I am humble, even though I do try hard on this point but instead will say, “I love humility.” This will take “the me” out and help me from contradicting myself becouse I think anyone who says, “I’m a pretty humble person” is being hypocritical.
This might be more helpful if you are far from what you want to be. We are not trying to beet our selfs up but change. If I know I’m doing something wrong that is beyong me at a certain time, besides for asking for help I can even start with just simple, “God is perfection, pure, truth, just etc. and that is what I love”. God please change/heal my mind.
I think it has to do with attraction laws. It might sound elementary but it helps me.
Sisterri, I was also really interested in the head covering thing when I just started learning.
On the other thing, I might be wrong and might have that idea from the JW (but I know they are so far off on so many things yet they did help with a lot of the fundamentals-for me at the time and place I was) but I thought RW did mention in one of his most recent sermons that it is possible for someone to be too far gone that they would not be resurrected. Now, I am a pretty sympathetic person and would definitely think that mariolyn mansion should be resurrected. I think most of these type of people are just confused and misled, heck I wasn’t too far off (no I was not goth, but I did see MM in concert about 12 years ago strait out of high school). But, there is definitely people out there who may not know God but know that there is a God and don’t what to have anything with the true God. I am not putting all Satanist in this category but if someone told me a thousand years from now that Alister crawly did not get resurrected I would not be surprised. If you don’t know who he is don’t wait your time and innocents looking him up. I’ll just say that he is known as the evilest man alive. He killed many people through his witch craft and is known among other things for publishing in one of his books how to “live longer-satanic immortality/vamporism” by raping young boys and he openly taught human sacrifice. He was also glamorized by many rock&roll artist like Led Zepplen. Scary man, but my point is he knew what he was doing, who he was working with, and who was his enemy. I’m not judging though, this was just my understanding.
truthseeker, Unfortunately, I’ve heard of Alister. I’d watched a couple of videos that totally turned me off to modern music. Thinking about it now, my nephews are in a local church “rock” band, and they don’t realize they sing for Satan and his demons. Crowley may have been evilly influenced, but my understanding is that unless you know God, you are unable to truly deny His power.
I hope your right, sisterri.
It sickens me to the core that humans can be this evil.
I know that they are influenced by Satan and co, but they are the ones who choose that way first.
Then Satan just traps them deeper in.
I am just so thankful that we have a life line out of this hell hole.
That our creator is just, loving and righteouss!!!
I also heard Mr RW say that about a person gone to far. I thought he was talking about the church members, who knew the truth then turned away. But was ot listening that clearly.