There has been a new forum created to foster discussion among undecideds and believers of Ronald Weinland. This forum is for honest dialogue and civil discourse.
Any who are interested should feel free to contribute their thoughts and opinions on Ronald Weinland and the times we’re living in.
Hope you enjoy!
Citizen X,
Is this something newer than these blogs?
Hello Sister,
Yes, it’s just been created. It’s intended to provide more context for discussion as well as more refinement of concepts, ideas and theories relating to Ronald Weinland.
i too am trying to be patient. i just received the book, so this is all new to me. however, i ordered it while i was reading another book about possible middle east politics of the future, based on the book of ezekiel. i’ve been wondering if this is all God’s plan that i read it now? back in the 80’s i used to get pamphlets from herbert w armstrong all the time. since that time my spouse and myself have been cautionishy interested in end times.
i was thinking about the destruction of the u.s. and started thinking about the recent flooding, tornados, fires and the legalization of gay marriage. these things aren’t nuclear but…
I too have been watching Ron and world events to see if what I read in his books, and suspected was true, would indeed come to pass. Unfortunately, it would appear that Ron may not be who he says he is. Notice the recent post on his personal website from June 19. He is now saying that all of things he prophesized for mid July may not come to pass until December!!??
While we may be in the end times,or close to them, it would appear that 1) Ron is not the witness he says he is, 2) his timeline is not being met, and 3) He seems to be desperately trying to maintain his credibility by telling his follows to wait a little longer so he can reveal more information to them.
His actions seem to be closer to those of a con artist than a representative of God.
Yes, I was hoping that you would write about this last posting of RW on his web-page. My following writing is about that post.
Now I will say that I am not 100% sure that RW and his wife are the Prophets. I will say I do believe still he is for the fact that I “feel” and see what RW says in his sermons and books happening in my own mind (holy spirit, this I relate perfectly with him and Armstrong) and the world, yet the thunders. My question is: if RW is current in every thing he says yet, his timing is off because he was presumptuous, i.e. sinned, would this exclude him from being one of the two prophets. Would this be just explained by his own sinning, because he was trying to give people a date, or since the date is off (which in my mind at least is not the case in till July 16th, if we have no nukes) he can not be God’s minister.
I am perplexed, first I do think with everything that is shown to me so far, that he and his wife is who he say he is. So, if he turns out to be off on his time I will be forced to say, either I was wrong or I just do not know. With me I am fine but I have shared this with my closest friends and relatives with much reticule. For them it will be absolute, if what I said to them does not come to pass in the time frame than I have been misled and can not hold any truth. And I could not blame them. Is this my sin? I ask this because Ronald Weinland never really said it was ok to tell people. Was, I being presumptuous? Is this the lession God is trying to teach us or is RW simply not one of the two prophets?
I’m sure this sounds stupid and I sound stupid to all who are not in the same place I am, so I am really just directing this comment to those who listen and follow RW, as I am sure that the others will run away soon.
I am searching scripture at this point since it is God’s word. I am repenting and looking to God for guidance and truth. I will count on God and his son to show me until I die. Now I am humbled and pray for us all for truth. Truth and clarity gave me peace and now it is gone, until that clarity is back. I feel cut off as in Laminations. I am nothing without my father, truly.
I too am in a similar situation as truthseeker. Since God gifted me with true repentance on April 17th (read my post on the about me page) he has opened my mind to his truths like I have never before experienced and has used RW and HWA mightily in that process. All (and there are many) that I have shared with including my wife and relatives believe I have fallen into deception. What is amazing is I feel I was in deception over the last 18 years believing the multitude of lies of “traditional Christianity” and now have been set free by God’s truth. After todays post on RW’s site I admit I am a little (ok-alot) shaken but I am prepared to admit to all that I was wrong. Humility is the Key. I so look forward to tomorrows sermon as he will certainly share more concerning his recent post.
Truthseeker,
I know exactly what you are saying.
I read his post this morning and since then have been battling with the question. Have I been misled by Mr Weinland?
But, I keep thinking back to how completely convicted I was when reading it in Feb and I know that something was from God because my life got turned around completely.
Just what I had been praying for, for the last year.
So I feel very let down by Mr Weinland but I also believe that this might be a test in a way from God. Things many of us need to go through and learn from them?
I do not know.
I also thought that I was maybe doing the wrong thing when I told people close to me about the timing. Because I did hear Mr Weinland tell us not to talk about this with others?
I know that they are all going to think I have been mislead and will like you say now have absolute proof that he is false, because they have not had the transformation to their life happen. Something we are unable to deny?
I just cannot believe God would lead me to read the book if it was not true and about to take place, so that I might have a chance to get my life right with God and move into the mill. with Jesus as my King!
I also know what you mean about feeling in sink or in line with Mr Weinland sermons and the doctrine of Mr HWA, because I feel the same way.
I must continue to trust that, while looking to God to continue to lead me.
I am also nothing without God. I would rather just die if I did not have him to love me and show me the way. I would not see any point in trying to survive and carry on in this sick, selfish and evil world!
There are so many ways to look at this. If we are in the Great tribulation than this is just one great test for God’s people to see who will fight to the end. We all have assumed the Great Tribulation would be for the most part a physical battle, but on a spiritual and emotional part of this, it is now about as hard as it gets, hence the name (great tribulation). That’s one ways to look at it. The other way is Weinland is simply a false prophet. He said he would declare himself a false prophet by mid-late June if nothing of obvious and great destruction has occured, and to do otherwise would be “insane”. Another way to look at this is, would God let a prophet lie to his people? Because in the bible it says if what a prophet preaches does not come to pass, he is simply a false prophet.
My personal feeling of this is I stll believe Mr. Weinland and the truth. With everything I’ve gone through it would be hard to conform back to the world again anyway. Maybe we are begining to see what the Great Tribulation is all about. A spiritual battle in the beginning so God can see who stays connected spirtually and doesn’t lose hope through the very end. I’ve come too far and I’m not about to give up yet. The second trumpet could still very well blow before july 16th and i see that as a great possibility because I can’t see God letting his prophet speak with deception. It’s not God’s way. And in the sermon of May 24th at appr. 1 hour and 17 minute’s “God didn’t bring me to this point until now to address this, and I feel for some great reasons we will understand later on” RW said, and then goes on to talk about 45-90 days and the second trumpet. The question I ask to everyone is to understand what later on?
This is what Ron Weinland stated in his recent post. “The bottom line is, I must follow what I believe God is showing me. If I have jumped the gun in a couple of interviews and interjected my own understanding into the timing of events, and have thereby been presumptuous, then I will repent and move forward.” There’s no way he could have interjected his own understanding if God brought him to that point on May 24th to say what he did. So I still believe the second trumpet could blow before July 16 and Ron did not rule it out, because I don’t think the true God would let him make these false accusations especially when he brought him to that point on May 24th. All I can do is keep listening to sermons and pray to God for the truth because I won’t be one of the ones who slips away, not with the biblical truth that I know to this point. Ron says he is still a prophet and I for one believe him.
Thanks for responding, it makes me feel better that I am not alone.
I also think about all the different possibilities of where we are and lessons from history.
Have we really entered the Great Tribulation?
If RW is right about everything with the exception of the exact date, is he still the prophet with his wife? I have to allow for this even though I do not want to. If I could find other faults with RW or my understanding than this would be easy. I am reminded how the people felt after the desecration of desolation. I have talked to some. They were in a state when they were cut off and questioned everything. But, time would reveal that this was prophesied and makes perfect sense to me. But where are we? We will have to wait to see if what RW says.
Was it a sin for me to tell others when I was warned not to? Is this going to hurt my family, since I will no longer be creditable? I’m thinking yes, yet still have all faith in God to protect me and my family if I continue to keep his commandments. For matter of fact is God humbling me for all the times I thought, “you’ll see”, in my self-righteousness?
I have to say last night I felt angry with God for the first time in my life. I never really understood when people said this. The more I thought this way, the more I my felt far from God and understanding his way. I needed time before I could come to terms that I was wrong. I humbled my self and repented for my lack of closeness and prayer. Is God punishing me, cutting me off because of my lazyness? Becouse I am a stubborn child and must be told many times before I listen? But, it is not just me. Yet, maybe older ones are beyond where I am.
I am not all knowing, but I know that RW is not purposely misleading anyone. I understand how God talks to him for the most part from my experiences and the sermons. I think he is honest. I would opt for self-delusion before blaming him, since in my mind he explains what I think and know. The reason why I accepted he was the prophet was because of the truths he proclaimed was the same truths that God showed to me starting about a year before. Even God started showing RW truth about a year before he found the church of God. He proved who Jesus was not by his proper name Yahshuaha but by the qualifications that Christ gave himself. The only sign I give …Jonah in the whale three days and three nights. Besides my elder and his wife have been with RW the whole time. They both explained to me individually how they saw God working through him and with him literally given him the new truths. They said they knew that Ron and Laura were the prophets long before they claimed it themselves, yet they told no one. I do know either God was working with him or this is all false, but RW is not a con-artist. I have great respect for him either way.
Is this like when Jesus told the people that they would have to eat his flesh and drink his blood and they all left him except his apostles. Is God weeding out his true people? It is easy to jump on the band wagon after people see what is happening in this world now.
Is this to help protect his people, since if RW is right and we do have a distinct enemy, that will be looking to destroy the true church of God. Is this to throw them off.
If the Tribulation has not started was this to prepare us more? Do we have to wait until Dec. for the beginning or are we just that much closer to the return of Christ.
I also can not go back, go back in believing satan’s lies. I cannot live in this world as if God does not exist. I can not live a fake life. I can not live a lie. I will not support any other cause in my life, i.e. political, non-prophet, religious. Are are fake and dead to me. I will never take my life or stop searching for God. This is a contradiction to who I am. I also can not give up, but my battle is my own. What I share with you I share with nobody else. I have my family but if I didn’t I would find my passion or work in till all truth is revealed. My enemy waits for me too give up, so as to consume me like a lion, so I am diligent. If nothing else I will live the way God has shown me or my delusions of God has shown me. Either way I am a much better person for it. All Glory to God, YHWH.
And I thank God that I have you guys to share and listen too.
Amen, amen, amen …
I too went through many scenarios, including the one that ended up with 300 men fighting thousands because they drank water standing up. I pray I am drinking water the way the Eternal wants me to. I too cannot go back. I too cannot understand why a man who is so honest with God’s word can be wrong, so I shall stand firm behind or even beside Ron.
Thank you, everyone, not only for your doubts, but for your willingness to stand with Yahweh Elohim and not deny Him.
Hi everybody again. I know I talk too much on this thing I hope I am not that over barring, but I wanted to add that Friday night (or correctly Sat., morning) Sabbath reading, I read with the kids Psalms 22-30. Seemed very appropriate, and spoke to me and helped me to speak to God. If anyone has time I would recommend reading these. Psalms 25 my favorite and perfect.
I was amazed that among these chapters, David wrote this for his time, part was even a prophecy for/of the messiah so I assume that it was also for Christ, where he knew it and held it close to him in his time of great distress and even it speaks to me now as if it was written for me. I am not trying to compare myself with God’s Son but I am amazed at his perfect, beautiful Word. He knows what is in our hearts and even helps us to speak to him.
Please let me just share with you.
Psalm 25
1. Unto thee, O YHWH, do I lift up my soul.
2. O my God, I trust in thee: let me not be ashamed, let not mine enemies triumph over me.
3. Yea, let none that wait on thee be ashamed: let them be ashamed which transgress without cause.
4. Shew me thy ways, O YHWH; teach me thy paths.
5. Lead me in thy truths, and teach me: for thou art the God of my salvation; on thee do I wait all the day.
6. Remember, O YHWH thy tender mercies and thy lovingkindnessess; for they have been ever of old.
7. Remember not the sins of my youth, nor my transgressions: accourding to thy mercy remember thou me for thy goodness’ sake, O YHWH.
8. Good and upright is the Eternal (YHWH): therefor will he teach sinners in the way.
9. The meek will he guide in judgement: and the meek will he teach his ways.
10. All the paths of the Eternal (YHWH) are mercy and truth unto such as keep his covenant and his testimonies.
11. For thy name’s sake, O YHWH, pardon mine iniquity; for it is great.
12. What man is he that feareth the Eternal? him shall he teach in the way that he shall choose.
13. His soul shall dwell at ease; and his seed shall inherit the earth.
14. The secret of the Eternal (YHWH) is with then that fear him: and he will shew then his covenant.
15. Mine eyes are ever toward the Eternal: for he shall pluck my feet out of the net.
16. Turn thee unto me, and have mercy upon me: for I am desolate and afflicted.
17. The trubles of my heart are enlarged: O bring thou me out of my distresses.
18. Look upon mine affliction and my pain; and forgive all my sins.
19. Consider mine enemies; for they are many; and they hate me with cruel hatred.
20. O keep my soul, and deliver me: let me not be ashamed; for I put my trust in thee.
21. Let integrity and uprightness perserve me; for I wait on thee.
22. Redeem Israel, O God, out of all his troubles.
Truthseeker,
I look forword to hearing what you and everybody feels because it gives me comfort in knowing I’m not alone. It’s nice to express my feelings with people who see the same thing that I do. The funny thing is, it sounds like we all share many of the same stories and feelings in our lives even though any of us have never met one another, and I’m sure there are many more out there who are going through the same thing. Those verses were inspiring to read. I have a feeling the entire Tribulation is going to be like this because in the bible it says the witnesses are going to be clothed in sackloth (humility). Well if everything happens in order perfectly as to what Weinland says and is 100% evident to everyone, well than where’s the humility? Our human minds limit our thinking to what best fits what we think is reasonable, but God’s means of planning is far greater than what our physical minds can grasp, and as I’m writing this I am truly beginning to see it. I don’t know if anyone has ever seen Evan Almighty, even though it was comical and not exactly how God presents himself to people, I feel it is a good example. Evan was told to build the Arc by God (Morgan Freeman) and everyone mocked him. Long story short he was told by God (Morgan Freeman) in the movie there was going to be a flood on a certain day. Everyone including himself expected great rain. When nothing was happening people laughed some more and even Evan himself was confused and worried. When all of a sudden the dam was destroyed and water overflowed the town or two. The point is I feel these kind of things are going to happen throughout the Tribulation as far as what we see in our minds, which is going to make it as much of a battle as it is physically, spiritually.
Wow! How much we truly need encouragement from each other!! I stumbled on this forum yesterday after being shaken by RW’s recent post. Other than God’s own witness to me and that which I have recieved through the Church of God – PKG site, through Sabbath sermons, listening to archive sermons, and the reading material of RW and HWA, I have felt like I have been on an island all by myself. What does one do when they truly have found the pearl of great price? How can I, after God has opened my mind to his truth, even consider going back. I was a prodigal son for over 17 years! 17 years of going through the religious motions, appeasing my flesh (keeping God in my box) knowing the whole time God desired more but honestly not knowing how to go about it. He did it in me! He called me! It was him who did this thing in me! He gifted me with repentance and gave unto me his Spirit! Who am I (the clay) to question the the potters (God’s) ways? He does according to his good will and good pleasure. Yes, the testing of our faith is precious to him. To be purified, and be made white, and to be refined is the work he is doing in us. Humbly we submit to him and trust he works all things for the good because we love him and he has called us according to HIS purpose. Thank you for letting me share here. I needed this. Peace to you all.
Thank you all so much for sharing your stories.
Reading them just confirms that God is in this with us, as we all have very similar experiences and feelings that I believe God works with us in a similar fashion for a purpose, so that we are able to encourage each other in times like this.
I was thinking last night the exact thing. I cannot go back into this world after being shown God’s TRUTH. I also believe that this could be a spiritual tribulation…….to see who will fight to the end. I will, I can never go back.
I still believe that Mr Weinland is the prophet of God.
Hey, every one just found this site an hour ago and I can tell you one thing you all have inspired me through your stories my story is quite similar to all of yours. the only thing is that I didn’t tell any one except my sister also my brother and I didn’t even tell them that much I also had an argument with my dad about the sabbath. I feel that I am being weak by not telling any one so I think that you are doing the right thing. I also believe that God is teaching a valuable lesson about the mockers. I would guess that even though you are being mocked by the ones you love you also are learning something that I am not brave enough to experience or learn. I know what kind of people are out there I am afraid to tell anyone other then those I mentioned because of ridicule. you are all allot braver then me. and I still believe that RW and his wife are the prophets of God in my eyes they have to be…I do believe that it is a test for the ones who truly believe and the ones who wanted in to save their own hides. Even if RW is wrong about July that dose not make him misleading because he believed it himself. God may not of given him certain things that were very important for reasons we can not grasp yet i for one am going to wait it out and jump “the leap of faith” as it is in Indiana Jones
and keep on keeping on. so have faith witch I know you all will..take care
Farewell and I will be waiting for a response and thanks for reading..
Thanks everyone for sharing how you feel, it really helps to read of people in the same position. I too believe this is a test – for the believers in the Truth and for the unbelievers. I personally think the test is mainly whether we believe the truth that we have been taught since hearing of Ronald Weinland’s and Herbert W Armstrong’s teachings. THAT is what makes what is being said here different from the other end-time scenarios – the fact that this is the true church. The Church that God has been working with from Pentecost 31 AD.
I know that God has personally changed me since I began to read the truth. He granted me repentance and I could see where I had gone wrong in my life – including spiritually. It was as clear as day – and it still is. We need to hold on to what has been given to us, all of us having feelings is not by coincidence – it PROVES that something higher is at work.
I, like many of you was quite shocked when i read the post but I have prayed for discernment and understanding and today, i feel so much at peace. It will all unfold in God’s time, this next six months will be a steep learning curve for all of us. Believers, non-believers, scattered church etc. We know God has a perfect plan – we know this because we know the truth. We just have to sit back and let him do His work. I think we will all be amazed as the months go on and we learn more. I am another one who will not be stepping back into the world. I asked long enough for God to reveal his truth to me, I’m not gonna lose it now at the first hurdle! Praying for you all
As there has been no more responses in the last couple of days I will assume all is either deeply humbled, soul searching, repenting, or disgust and have ran quickly away.
Personally, God has revealed many personal weaknesses and transgressions through this time as well as helped my to draw closer, as to allow him to reveal.
While, RW’s sermon would have sounded fake to any outsider, to me I thought, he did not sound as confident in his voice, but I do believe he is right. I realized also that he probable transgressed of his frustration by giving a date prematurely the same as I did in revealing too much to people not being drawn.
Surpisenly, I finneshed his sermon with much excitment, yet feel a sence of morning here.
Interesting, though, if my understanding is right. Christ will return in on a Feast of Trumpets as this is what it pictures, just as Passover represents Christ being our Passover Lamb and he died on this day. Every Feast date reveals God’s plan with many physical examples given through out the Bible. If Christ will return at this Feast time and it started 3 1/2 years before it would put us starting near Passover, since these are 6 months apart. If this is true than the next timing that the Great Trib can start is around Passover 2009. Okay, than this is putting the return very, very close to what many are talking about in the 2012/planet x theories. But, yet the remaining cog-pkg will be very set apart from the rest of the world in their understanding in what is happening. Also, I read that the signs of “planet x” are mostly the same as what we are calling the Thunders caused by magnetic pulls (i.e. volcanoes, storms, earthquakes, floods, droughts, climate change, etc.). Yet, God’s people will gain his truth completely separately from what the “world” is teaching. And they are being taught, molded and prepared by God.
I hope this is not speculating, but I very much doubt that what I just said has anything to do with what he was talking about for the 50th Truth.
Can I hear from someone, what ever you think, I would like to know. I have no fear, lay it on me.
Hi Truthseeker,
Well, I found on Friday night, I was also battling anger somewhat. I felt let down beyond words, but a part of me still believed Mr RW is God’s prophet and this is just something God is trying to show the church.
Then on Sat. I awoke feeling so much more positive that this is the truth and spent the whole of the Sabbath listening to sermons back to back on the book 2008 God’s Final Witness. After which I was 100% positive again.
God renewed my faith so completely!
I get to listen to the Sabbath sermon at 20.30pm this side, so by that time I was on a high and very encouraged.
I found myself believing all Mr Weinland had to share and knowing that God was now going to see who of us that received his truth actually wanted it truly in our lives and who of us came along just to see if something needed to be done in order to be saved from the destruction that is coming.
I thought about that all of Sat. and I felt strongly that is what God was showing me in my life.
Just how much do I actually believe him and how much am I willing to go out on a limb of faith and stick to it no matter what.
I needed that, as I still doubted every so often.
Not anymore…..
I have personally emailed the Church of God – PKG and let them know I am taking a season of reflection. I have been faithfully titheing to them and daily reading and listening to archive sermons and admit that much truth has been revealed to me through them. I also at this time am going to investigate The Living Church of God – Pastor Roderick Merideth to see the doctrinal differences between the two. I have also began to humbly admit my error to all those whom I shared what RW had revealed. I know that I shared with others out of Love. Hopeing that when the events spoken of came to pass that they would then be open to further understanding of God’s truth. For RW to miss God on a scale such as this should only bring a reaction from others to stop and do thier own reflecting. Even by his own words he stated that if the things he spoke of did not come to pass he is a false prophet and he would never preach again. Now, he is still claiming to be a prophet and that God has given him new truth. Because God works in mysterious ways I am not completely writing him off but I will not blindly follow either. Remember, we are fore warned of false prophets that would decieve even God’s very elect if that were possible. Are you one of God’s elect? I do believe that Herbert W Armstrong is God’s end time “Elijah”. I also believe that God does work through a “Little Flock”. My earnest desire is to be one with the “Little Flock” whomever they are. Once again, God, by his grace and mercy, has brought a crushing blow to my pride and I am So Thankful.
God does not want anyone to doubt His plans. Yet, if it only takes a few days of quiet to begin to doubt what the prophet has already given, so be it. If you have not been baptized in the spirit, it will make little difference.
In listening to RW’s sermon for 5/24, at 1 hour 7 min (approx), he says it’ll be beyond 7/16. After listening to last Sabbath’s service, at least twice, I have already felt changes in myself. I have stepped back and will move forward again with my new growth and look forward to future sermons.
If I don’t write very often, it’s because I’m behaving myself. When I do write, it’s usually in response to something. While disappointed with this blog’s progress, there is still promise in it. If Citizen X remains calm and keeps up his guard, this will remain open to Weinland’s positive watchers.
yes, to Sisterri, I am reminded again I need to behave. I have also learned a lot on what God is doing and how we need to deal with people in the future.
inspired from So Thankful,
I wanted to comment a little. We all need to be diligent of false prophets. This is what started my search and for me to become part of the COG-PKG was no small thing as I have researched many, many churches and none came close. I learned things from all but it was clear to me that all was wrong, but for Ron Weinland he was not close he was right on. This was too much for me, for I believed that God would not allow a man to speak all these truths and be false. This is where I began. Since than I have learned about Armstrong and all the splinters but I know it is only with PKG that I have received the Spirit. This is undeniable to me and is the main reason that I can know on a day to day basis if I am drawing close to God (the spirit is with me), or if I need to repent and seek God. I never liked putting the question of RW’s legitimacy on a date, but did it after RW’s lead. I started out shacken, but now know I am where God is.
I was reading Armstrong and again and again he exsplains what has happened to me to a tea in COG-PKG. He did not describe my exspirence in the World-Wide Church of God or any of the Splinters but only, PKG. I was touched today when reading from Mystery of the Ages” on pg 257 when quoting Romans 8:16, “The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God.”
I could not have explained it better myself. This is the first time that I can read the Bible and can understand it (since pkg). This is the first time in my life I can listen to a paster, preacher what ever and agree 100%. This is not easy, in fact I left Christianity for 10 years because I could not deal with the hypocrisy and inconsistencies. I did not realize the inconsistencies are not from the Bible but are from the “ministers of light”.
I am not saying take my word for it but search out the truth wholeheartedly and it will be revealed to us. I like to remember also that we are not owned anything but the Spirit is a gift so we need to do what God wants us to do to continue or rather receive it again., i.e. repent, call out to him, search our hearts, etc.
To SouthAfrica28,
I was the same, by the end of the sermon, I was on cloud 9, renewed and closer to our Father than ever. I also received a new hope if you know what I mean? I had this hope before but knew it was not possible according to what RW has said in the past. Now it is opened, which is great encouragement and motivation to me. Although, I am just humbled and happy to even receive his truths and exspect nothing else.
with love to all
don’t know why I didn’t see the posting of Joe and British Believer but it is great to hear from you. Thank You. I still thank God for giving us the ability to communicate with others touched by his truths.
May peace be upon you all
I was very inspired by what RW had to say in the sermon. I have to say I like this exciting and anticipating feeling a lot more than I did the fear that was approaching from the present time to July 16th. Come september 30 we will be so much more better prepared for what is coming. And the part in the sermon I found most inspiring was when Ron talked about the sealing of the 144,000 hasn’t taken place yet and new people, people being worked with, and people who havn’t even been brought to the church yet can still become part of that 144,000.
However does anyone know if we are still in the Great Tribulation, and is the return of Jesus Christ still September 29th, 2011, or is this something that we don’t know and can’t assume until the time until Trumpets when it becomes clear, because I have also learned a great lesson to become more patient and not assume?
I also found this to be interesting.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25334489/
truthbeliever12,
If you go to the web site and click on Holy Days you will see they added the days for 2012.
Also,
As for me and my continued time of reflection since Mr. Weinland’s post and last Sabbath’s sermon – I also have sensed an excitement concerning what God is doing. Again, I emphasize I have in no way written RW off I am just proceeding forward with caution. Since the week of Apr 20-26 when I entered I time of repentance with fasting and weeping like I have never before experienced (I did not know at the time it was the same week as The Feast of Unleavened Bread) and then God led me to the Church of God – PKG and RW and HWA. I had never even heard of these men or the Church before this. I have never had the peace and presence of God with me like I have had over these last two months as I have applied the truths revealed to me by God through RW.
truthbeliver12,
we have not started the great tribulation since RW said that we have not started the 1335 or the 1260 days. The 1260 day count down is the beginning of the 3 1/2 years or 42 months until the return of Christ.
A lot of my excitement was also from the same thing you said.
I have read what you all have had to say in these last few days and its strange but all i feel is compassion for how you are all feeling because in god there is truth and in truth there is god and whatever the end time is he is there for you and if you are there for him then he will be there for you …we are not yet at July 17th..
i admit i stopped reading his book but i’m still watching and waiting. today more rain/flooding in the midwest. and washington is talking about lifting sanctions against north korea. only time and God will tell!
inde,
Listen to the service this coming Sabbath. And, finish your book. Or, quit wasting your time here. True – only time and God will tell! – listen to His minister on Sabbath.
I had just typed a huge thing but the internet erased it for me. It was kind of detailed but here again, is the gist of it: My grandma (1896-1999) had 3 deadly diseases when she was 12 – yellow fever, scarlet fever and measles all at the same time. She would surely die. She asked God to save her and she promised to “be faithful” her whole life. She was cured.
She was a wonderful example of a God-inspired person as I grew up, she taught me things like sharing – forgiveness – modesty – lovingkindness – etc. She NEVER belonged to any religious affiliation. She always had a bible-study group, read her bible every day, taught us the Lord’s prayer and prayed at all meals, bedtimes. She just always did it. She was not shy or BOLD about it – it was just done.
I was always sure I was the favored grandchild because she gave me special instruction. Now looking back, maybe it was because I was the only one that wouldn’t get antsy, but would patiently listen. I (may) never know.
Because of these things I was the one that inherited her stuff when she died – not all of it – but I did ask for her Bible and study materials. She had the books written by HWA ! She subscribed to the Plain Truth. Had Mystery of the Ages. I BELIEVE IN MY HEART SHE KNEW THE TRUTH that most cannot still see.
I fell away from what is God’s way for the longest time during a bad marriage, but that part is over. Ten years ago when I read HWA’s book The US & Britain in Prophecy, I knew in my heart (my mind) that the Trinity was wrong. I knew HWA was blessed by God. But although I admired the strength of my grandma, and HWA it seemed like there was really no meaning for MY life because the (end) just seemed to on forever.
Then this spring a most unusual thing happened. My boss was mocking her husband’s boss because he was going out buying all the MRE’s he could find, storing up water, rations etc. We Googled- TEOTWAWKI – The end of the world as we know it. We mailed him the book “2008 Gods Final Witness” .
Well, because of my background, I was most curious, and got to reading it myself. (I am crying now as I write this, and I always find myself in tears when ever I speak of the Great Almighty God’s Perfectness)
I am soooo thankful he has given me another chance to choose the “right path”.
I would lastly like to say: although it is easy to be ’sorry for the wrong things you have done’ in your life it is hard to “Change Your Mind”!!
Nonnie,
your words made me cry also. It’s amazing how your grandmother committed to God and then how God blessed her by giving her the truth. And now speaking to you through her. Great story, thanks for sharing.
I’d like to add that being sorry sometimes is hard. When I am totaly discusted with my self I become numb. I need to ask for help even to ask for forgiveness sincerely. But than this might be helping me to change my mind. Thank you
If you haven’t done so already go to Ronald Weinlands web-cite and enjoy. peace
http://www.the-end.com/
http://www.cog-pkg.org/
p.s. you will find HWA’s best books there also.