The Weinland Judgment – Ronald Weinland and the Revealing of a Prophet

February 23, 2009 by Citizen X

The time has come. We are about to witness the revealing of a prophet. The First Trumpet was blown on December 14th and has continued to blast throughout the following weeks, according to Ronald Weinland.

2008 – Gods Final Witness, page 118:

The First powerful event of the Seventh Seal(First Trumpet) will result in wide-spread destruction over the United States and beyond her border into Canada.

…a third of all plant life will be destroyed…

…the actual event will not be disclosed until it is time for it to happen..

..there will be much death when this event occurs..

Most of it will be the death of animals and birds, but also a large number of people will die – into the tens of thousands.

According to Ronald Weinland, the First Trumpet(December 14th) is a process that unfolds over 45-90 days. Therefore, the entire world should witness the destruction spoken of in 2008 – Gods Final Witness before March 15th if Ronald Weinland is truly a prophet of God and one of the two end-time witnesses spoken of in Revelation.

For many, 03/15 will come as a relief. The undecideds and open-minded people genuinely hungry for the truth have yearned for a resolution to this issue for quite some time now. While the Weinland-haters prattled on in their echo chambers, genuinely openminded folk thirsted for the truth.

Now that moment is come. We will soon know whether or not Ronald Weinland is a true or false prophet. The truth will speak for itself. Regardless of Weinland’s validity, however, it is clear what times we are living in. America’s economy teeters on the brink of collapse, while foreign nations and dictatorships make rumblings of war. Unrest has spread across the globe, from the U.K where police fear riots due to economic discontent, to Mexico, where border officials fearfully contemplate the possibility of a full-fledged collapse and massive refugee migration.

Nothing Ronald Weinland says can change the times we are in. God is, and has always been in control. He guides the affairs of all men. Whether or not Weinland is his instrument will be made evident in due time. Since Weinland’s emergence, there were those hasty fools who had not the patience or temperament to discern the truth. Instead, they made brash, ignorant statements, loudly proclaiming their foolish opinions to all who would listen. Some were motivated by bitterness, some by hatred, and others by mere deception and a desire to be accepted by parroting the ‘establishment’ line.

Everyone deserves a fair shot. Although there are reasonable, fairminded people that can disagree on whether or not the June 25th development constituted ‘unequivocal’ evidence of true or false prophethood, my position has always remained clear. The truth always makes itself clear. Eventually we will see the clear, absolute, undeniable truth. And that position has remained the same regardless.

The Weinland Witness Statement of Discernment:

If we witness a destructive event of such magnitude that it causes the deaths of tens of thousands of people and the death of a 1/3rd of all plant life before March 15, Ronald Weinland is a true prophet of God and one of the two witnesses spoken of in Revelation. If no such event occurs, he is not.

R.W.’s book is quite clear on the First Trumpet; it is a purely physical phenomenon resulting in the deaths of tens of thousands of people. This is something that will be quite evident on a global scale.

The Weinland Witness has not been popular with both sides, and has generally remained alone in its advocacy of a confirmationist viewpoint. Although the Weinland-haters are irrelevant and contribute nothing to the discussion, there have been genuinely openminded skeptics, such as Byron Harvey, who earnestly question whether or not the 6/25 development constitutes an unequivocal confirmation of failed prophecy.

Those on this side of the debate have questioned whether or not I was too lenient in my judgment. Conversely, there are those on the other side who are displeased with my ‘fence-sitting’ posture, as they characterize it, and say that my hesitation encourages others to do the same, in the process denying them salvation.

Both sides have implied that my hesitance in jumping to conclusions was due to a temerity or fearfulness on my part. Nothing could be further from the truth. The simple truth is this. In matters of such grave importance as biblical prophecy and determining God’s true messenger, nothing less than 100% certainty will suffice.

And yet regardless of your personal inclinations or allegiances, we are at the end of a road. We shall either experience global upheaval on a scale never before seen, or witness the unmasking of a charlatan. If it is the former, I shall dutifully chronicle what occurs and attempt to provide information to those hungry for it as long as I can. If it is the latter, I am not sure what there is left to say. I have said my piece. My perspective has become part of the Weinland debate, and that is all I really hoped for.

So all we are left with is time, and what is revealed by the passage of time. Everything else fades away, and the inexorable march of the clock determines our actions for the future. Will Ronald Weinland be one of the two witnesses destined to lead God’s people through the Tribulation, or will that honor be bestowed on another? Is he the figure foretold by the prophets of old? All these questions have neared their last breath, and the answers will mark either the close of a chapter or the dawn of a new one.

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98 Responses

on February 23, 2009 at 5:18 pm Jack

“And yet regardless of your personal inclinations or allegiances, we are at the end of a road. “

Hello Citizen X

After all the commenting recently, I knew you would be posting soon. I agree we are coming up to the end of a road. But it does not have to be an end. It can be a crossroad. Eternal life on one side and eternal death on the other.

You mentioned those who “say that my hesitation encourages others to do the same, in the process denying them salvation.”

To them I say no one person can be responsible for denying anyone salvation, as it is an individual’s choice which way they go. And of course Jesus is the only one with salvation.

Peace be with you.
on February 23, 2009 at 11:15 pm rlee64

Thanks X –

Your objectivity is much appreciated. I’ve been thinking very much along the same lines as this entry you’ve posted. Something verifiable will happen one way or the other. And given the words he has spoken himself – it will happen soon. If it proves Mister Weinland a prophet, excellent – if not – it still does not negate the Truth taught regarding the Sabbath, Holy Days, tithing etc.

I would hope that were Mr. Weinland incorrect in the prophecies he has been given to utter, that his congregation would remain faithful to the teaching and principles of the faith given to them as individuals.

Though the messenger may (or may not) prove to be flawed, the Truth of God’s Word is not.
on February 24, 2009 at 12:19 am truthbeliever12

I have never heard of march 15th in any of the sermons, can someone inform me the part of the sermon that I missed. Thanks.
on February 24, 2009 at 8:47 am rlee64

Just a quick thought –

Do you think there’s a possibility he could have erred by an entire year? And that Christ’s return would be on the Feast of Trumpets in 2012?
on February 24, 2009 at 12:01 pm Nonnie

Dear TruthBeliever 12

They are getting it from this: They are using 12-14-08 + “45-90″ days that Ron spoke of before the 50th Truth.

Dear Carmel

Please discontinue saying ” I can prove this by scripture” unless you will state what that is it at the same writing.

It is very confusing to read your posts as you don’t punctuate . . .then you go off to another topic. Reading what you write is not as clear, as say, speaking because we cannot hear what you are emphasising.

Thank you.

PS today is 1188 surely I am not the only one counting.
on February 25, 2009 at 9:12 am think-differently

Citizen X,

Your blog does not take into consideration Weinland’s sermons in December about the meaning of trees and grass, nor what may have changed by our fasting in January. The main idea of the fast was to give people more time to think differently – to delay the deaths and agonies that would be felt by nuclear bombs. We expect the thunders to increase,however. Nothing that the president says or does will stop the dollar from failing is only one of them.

Do you really expect it to be so obvious that Ron Weinland is a prophet? If it turned out to be so obvious, why would so many – the majority of the world’s population – deny him, deny his message from God that the world as we knew it is done, that God’s government, headed by Christ, will be in control in less than 3 1/2 years?

You do not follow Ron’s sermons, do you?

Anyone wishing to know the truth must humble themselves before God – admit that they know nothing in and of themselves and are willing to listen to Him on the Sabbath days – and then repent – be sorry for breaking the commandments of God and be willing to change. Then, after humbling yourself and repenting, listen to God’s messages as provided through Ron Weinland each Sabbath. Then, after listening on the Sabbath, listen every day to older messages. It will take you quite a while to hear, and read, everything on the http://www.cog-pkg.org web site.
on February 25, 2009 at 12:37 pm rlee64

think differently –

Honestly – I think most of the world has never even heard of Mr. Weinlad – let alone denying him. That’s one of the reasons I have a hard time with embracing the idea of him as one of God’s two end-time witnesses. The wording in Revelations lends itself to the thought that the witnesses are individuals widely despised by the world. Folks everywhere will literally revel in their deaths – not just a lost remnant of the WCG or folks who follow ‘this type of thing’ or the smallish band of mockers and deriders with other blogs.

I’m glad you are fasting and praying for time for people to think differently. That’s always a good thing, and one of the things the Church should be doing anyway. The tribulation doesn’t sound like it will be ‘pleasant’ for anyone living through it. But – if the 144,000 were already sealed, why would pushing back the time table ‘help’ those who are undecided?
on February 25, 2009 at 6:04 pm think-differently

Most of the world has never heard of Ron Weinland, either. That’s as it is, because God has not called everyone, yet. Those who have been will end up on the cog-pkg web site. God does that.

Thinking about it that way, makes me wonder what I’m doing here.
on February 25, 2009 at 7:24 pm think-differently

Listen to The Mystery of God Revealed, pt 1 – 02/16/08. It will help you understand when Mr. Weinland will be known to the world.
on February 25, 2009 at 10:51 pm Citizen X

Sis Terri,

As I understand it, R.W. has clearly stated when the First Trumpet begins. He has also stated the duration of it and its manifestations.

I am sorry, but at some point, a true prophet must be taken at his word.

You ask if it was so obvious to discern, why the world would reject the witnesses, as spoken of in Revelation? Well, what has happened? Has anyone believed Ronald Weinland, or given him a chance for that matter, besides myself? That should be enough evidence for you. A large portion of society rejected R.W. out of hand, before his initial predictions could even be verified. That is simply the way of the world regarding biblical matters. They sneer and look down on God’s truth.

But God also says he will prove himself. And we owe it to God to use discernment. R.W.’s book clearly states the First Trumpet will be marked by the deaths of ‘tens of thousands‘. It unequivocally states that. I am merely applying his words to current events.

God’s prophets will be evident to God’s people. His word promises nothing less.
on February 26, 2009 at 9:26 am think-differently

VIDEONETDAILY
Kuwaiti prof: 330,000 dead from 4 pounds of anthrax
Outlines potential White House attack that would make 9/11 ’small change’

This is an article put out by World Net Daily. Have you read it? It’s hypothetical, but would fulfill a thunder.

You didn’t answer my question.
on February 26, 2009 at 9:41 am South Africa 28

“Iran’s leader doesn’t just believe the Mahdi is about to return—he considers it his responsibility to cause the apocalyptic conditions that he believes will surround his return!”

“Meanwhile, the supreme goal and current policies of the Iranian government are designed to create Armageddon in preparation for the return of the 12th imam!”

“As Joel Rosenburg, former aide to Benjamin Netanyahu, put it recently, “[I]n order to bring about this Islamic messiah, the Mahdi, the 12th imam, Islamic leaders need to hasten his coming by destroying little Satan, Israel, and the great Satan, the United States. … [T]he leaders actually believe they need to create bloody carnage, the death of millions of people in order to create the conditions for the Mahdi to bring peace.” ”

“Ahmadinejad’s conviction is so firm that in 2004, when he was mayor of Tehran, he instructed the city council to build a “grand avenue” in preparation for the Mahdi’s return. When he became president in 2005, he allocated $17 million for a blue-tiled mosque in Jamkaran (south of the capital) closely associated with mahdaviat. Inside Iran, he’s quite literally preparing the ground on which he believes the Mahdi will return. His conviction is so strong that he prayed in front of the United Nations for Allah to help him hasten that event—which he could only do by precipitating a holocaust-type event!”

Here’s how Charles Krauthammer summed up Iran under Ahmadinejad back in 2005:

“[A] Holocaust-denying, virulently anti-Semitic, aspiring genocidist, on the verge of acquiring nuclear weapons of the apocalypse, believes that the end is not only near but nearer than the next American presidential election. … This kind of man would have, to put it gently, less inhibition about starting Armageddon than a normal person.”

“Nobody believes Iran when it says its nuclear program is for peaceful purposes. Yet despite seeing through that lie, few recognize the fundamental purpose and full ramifications of Iran’s quest for nukes. Most dismiss the reality that Iran’s thriving nuclear program is meant to cement its dominance within the region and to hasten the realization of its supreme goal of creating an apocalypse in order to usher in the Mahdi!”

“This is a reality we deny at our own peril.”

THE KING OF THE SOUTH? MAYBE?
on February 26, 2009 at 1:04 pm Citizen X

Sis Terri,

If anything I said in my previous comment was inaccurate or false, feel free to correct the record.

Citizen X
on February 26, 2009 at 4:20 pm Jack

South Africa 28

Although I agree with you on Ahmadinijad being committed to gaining nuclear weapons, deploying them would be a grave mistake for Iran. Iran would be turned into a smoking scar and a giant burning oil field if they attacked the U.S.A.

And let us not forget that Israel also has the bomb.
on February 26, 2009 at 4:46 pm Truthseeker

South Africa 28, you think like I do. Looking at the whole picture to see how everything fits. Did you see that Joel guy on Glenn Beck?

Citizen x,
It looks like you don’t listen to RW sermons. And how can anyone correct in a few lines what is given in two hour sermons, every week. One other example is that RW said that he is not sure that 45 to 90 days means anything this time. It could have been given to him before to show him the 50th Truth and or it could have meaning now, he does not know yet. But, I guess if Jesus does not return on Pentecost 2012 you will know he is a false prophet, right. lol

Because, as we pray for the 2nd Trumpet will be delayed as long as possible with the Thunders increased. Read these over again in the book. They are very interesting, if you reread it now, since the first time you read it. Are any of them starting to be fulfilled? This is where we are Thunders increased more and more and more, giving people more reason to see where we are in time with less death. More people will be exposed to RW after more Trumpets go off.

With what you said in essence about what he said will happen on the day the Trumpet (or Seal) is opened….. (without going back and reading what you wrote exactly), you can listen to a sermon a year ago or three years ago and RW consistently has said that this is prophetic, just as people would not be hiding in caves the day the six seal was opened, it is revealing what will happen in the time forward progressing from what will begin at the time it is opened. I don’t know, it makes sense to me, maybe if you go back to his older sermons and just pick on maybe God will show you what you need to know, as he always does to me. I say older because that way you can realize that RW is not just changing things. I have heard this from sermon as far back as 01.

Everyone,
I would recommend anyone trying prove RW right or wrong to at least listen to his sermons so they know what they are talking about. I have not heard one person on this site who seemed like they have been listening to every sermon (let’s say in since 2008 and or summer) and are still not sure. Let me know if there are any out there that listening every week, on the Sabbath, is seeking the Truth, and is not yet sure if RW is who he says he is, I’m curious.

As what others have been saying about the world denying Ronald Weinland, we are just in the beginning. God will have it that many, if not all will have heard about RW before the end. Most will not even give him the time of day because of there pre-conceived beliefs such as: the Rapture, Sunday keeping, Christmas, Easter, Heaven and Hell, the Trinity, and every other lie from Rome. As well as New Aged Religions.

Peace All
on February 27, 2009 at 7:49 pm rlee64

The gist of what I’m hearing is that even if the events he has stated will come to pass in a given time frame don’t come to pass in that time frame, that still doesn’t rule him out as a prophet. (I.e. “One other example is that RW said that he is not sure that 45 to 90 days means anything this time.”)

The books he’s written – are they valid? Or is what he’s saying ‘now’ more valid? I mean – if the books aren’t accurate and folks that have read them and now scoff because the things predicted in the books haven’t happened – - – what does that mean? It’s their fault because they’re not listening to his sermons weekly?

I’m not being accusatory. I just wanna know – what is the proof of a prophet?
on February 27, 2009 at 8:52 pm think-differently

God can and will answer better than any of us. If you choose not to listen, that’s your prerogative.
on February 28, 2009 at 2:49 am Truthseeker

rlee64,

That was the point that I wanted to get at but didn’t. For RW to be who he says he is than his books would have to be (and are) true and correct. They are actually prophetic in a sense that when something happens we can reread then and realize many more deeper meanings of what was wrote and it meaning more than just the first time that we read it. Also, the 50th Truth would have to be wright and complete as all of the 50 Truths. Now this is my own words not coming from the Church or RW, but it makes sense to me. This is comming from someone who is saying that I know with all my being that he is the end-time prophet of God, that if the 50 truths turn out to wrong as well as his books than he can not be who he and I believe he is.

Unlike what someone else said for us that believe it is not about blind faith and following this man no matter what. My faith is from the truth that the Church of God-PKG has. Just like how Worldwide had the Truth that was restored to HWA also known as the 18 truths, RW has these 50 Truths that is revealed by God to His servants. I do not believe these truths because RW says them, I believe RW because God gave and gives me these truths independently. And a lot was given to me before I even heard of RW or HWA.

It is imposable though for me or anyone else to relay these things to you unless you are actually listening and seeking yourself, because God reveales things in a way that is a mystery to most. He is not just revealing things to us but molding and fashioning us at the same time. So, while it was His purpose to have us think (at the time) that this great Tribulation was going to start in April, it is also His purpose to reveal to us now that although we have entered that 3 and a half year period known as the Tribulation, it is going to be progressive and getting worse instead of starting off with a bang and killing a third right away. So, it doesn’t mean that a third will not be die, than anouther, etc., becouse they will, but in God’s way and time. And many will say that this is proof that RW is false becouse they do not have these Truths to know he is not false.

I often say to others in the Church that if I didn’t know what God revealed to me than I would think RW was worse than I heard others say about him. Infact I use to despise anyone who would say we were living in the end times. And yet, many of you know know WE ARE but can you relay that to others who think you are crazy? No. Yet, It has been revealed to you somehow. This is what happened to me. I started from basicly hating Christainity, then step by step, more and more being revealed.

I can just plead you anyone that if RW is in your head and this is taking your energy and yet can not prove him either way from where you are today than you NEED to dive into seeking the Truth with everything you have, with out prejudiced, seeking the Father for every little thing. Ask him to help you find this truth, remaining meek (teachable) and humble and if you don’t find it ask God “what do I have to do so that I can receive the Truth from you.” Do what He gives. And finally if that Truth leads to RW and the Church of God-PKG than you better catch up and if it leads you somewhere else you better go and do what you need to be wright with your maker. If you think this is a bunch of ****(fill it in with what ever you like) than you better find your passion and move on, because either way life is short.
on February 28, 2009 at 5:02 am South Africa 28

Hi Truthseeker,

That is what it is all about for me too. The 50 truths. If I did not believe them, I would not believe Mr Weinland.
I wish we could share what we see and know so clearly in our minds with others. It is such a peace that these truths bring. I mean I read articles everyday on how bad things are getting, and I am excited because it means soon more people are going to become humbled and teachable and able to receive the peace we all share.

What we are going into does not scare me only the suffering that we are going to witness. I know we in God’s church will also suffer, but we have the hope of what is to come to help us, others dont, so I cannot wait to be able to start sharing the GOOD NEWS with them! Jesus Christ our King is about to return so shortly, I still cant get my head around it. ……..that this is happening in my life time.

People looking for more answers to the timing should listen to the sermon “Our Commission pt 1″ – 7.02.2009.
on February 28, 2009 at 11:25 am rlee64

Thanks truthseeker –

That clarifies things for me a bit.
on March 1, 2009 at 3:41 pm sojourner

Two weeks.
on March 5, 2009 at 8:39 pm Maritimes Canada

I too see what Mr. Weinland says . I have no doubt of who He and his wife are . The prophesied 2 witnesses of Revelation .
The 50 truths have been given to the world ,starting from Herbert W. Armstrong and finishing with Mr. Weinland . I fro one am more of a man for being shown such a blessing .In which I wish I could give it to others but unfortunately it doesn’t work that way .
I agree that we all have to humble ourselves to God’s plan .
People should see what is happening in the world and remember that we have lost so much prosperiety since April of 2007 . It has progressively gotten worse since then btu people are to quick to want to disprove how what Mr. Weinland said is untrue and focusing on what is not exactly the way he first described (which was explained in plenty of time before the fact of the changes through the sermons ) that they missed what has turned out to be true .
All the green grass from Revelation 8:7 is being taken away from Spiritual Israel . I think if you asked someone in California or Texas if their prosperity has been taken than they would tell you yes it is .
All these things have been explained in do timing to how everything unfolded .
God does not owe this to any of us . We have been blessed with Ronald Weinland as a voice for the TRUTH of God .
All of God’s prophets have been not welcomed in their jobbbs . I am sure if you asked Mr.Weinland if he was totally happy to have to give this message he would tell you that it hasn’t been all a rosy experience for him .Thanfully God has chosen a man well suited for the job at hand .
Anyone blessed enough to hear the words of Mr. Weinland whether they believe his message or not doesn’t yet know how blessed they are ,because when everything comes to pass exactly how it is written in 2008 God’s Final Witness ,than people will know they heard God’s prophet words in do time and hopefully they will humble themselves to our great Creator .
Mr. Weinland would not want to take any credit for God’s plan . That is why God chose him to do this important Job of bringing the witness of the last 3and1 half years befroe our great King Jesus Christ returns to this earht to free us from all the lies Satan has held us captive of for so long
on March 6, 2009 at 7:17 am South Africa 28

Ronald Weinland – Author of “The Prophesied End-Time” & “2008 – God’s Final Witness”

“IN” THE FINAL THREE & ONE-HALF YEARS:
March 6, 2009

As regular readers/listeners are aware, on December 14, 2008, the world entered the final 3 1/2 years spoken of throughout prophecy as the end-time of man’s rule on earth. On Pentecost of 2012, the world will experience a final transition from mankind ruling himself to that of God’s government ruling over all nations.

Much of the world of traditional Christianity, and even God’s Church, have long believed that this final time would begin with great destructive events that would immediately lead to the death of tens of thousands of people and then continue to escalate throughout the final 3 1/2 years. This period of time has often been referred to as “the great tribulation,” although the Bible makes no such statement regarding this final 3 1/2 years.

The reality is that the Seventh Seal of Revelation was opened on November 14, 2009, and then 30 days later the First Trumpet sounded. This trumpet is prophetic in nature, yet it will also prove to be very physical in its complete fulfillment. It is prophetic in that it reveals the kind of literal, physical destructiveness that will follow in the fulfillment of the six trumpets that are yet to sound.

We now find ourselves three months into that final 3 1/2 year period of time, but thank God that these massive powers of end-time destruction have not yet been unleashed. The kind of suffering that will finally come to pass is horrific beyond comprehension. God is being merciful by temporarily holding back the day when the Second Trumpet sounds and massive physical destruction begins. As always, it needs to be understood that God is not bringing that destruction upon mankind, but mankind is bringing it upon himself (it will be caused by man). God is now holding back that time of massive physical destruction by not allowing man to start this process for a few more months.

This “holding back” is in large part due to the result of God answering the prayers of His people who set aside a time of fasting, similar to that of Esther, whose results are remembered to this day in what is called the Feast of Purim.

On January 31, the Church of God entered a prolonged fast (a fast that lasts beyond the normal one day), and God’s people petitioned God, humbling themselves in the process, seeking that God would humble more people, and thereby deliver many more than He initially revealed would be saved. This is all the result of God’s will and His purpose that is being worked out for this world, and although God has granted to offer mercy to more people in this end-time by bringing more to humility, the choice of repentance is still in the hands of those whom God humbles and grants mercy. It is sad that there will be many who will still refuse God’s mercy and His offer to save them physically through this final end-time.

The petitions that went up before God were not for the purpose that the destructive power be lessened (as this cannot be changed), but that the period of time of the actual physical suffering from it will be lessened, and that through this very process more people will potentially be able to be saved (who can indeed live on into the millennial period that is rapidly approaching). This not only includes the possibility of many more people of different nations being saved, but it also includes an offer of saving many more who were part of the scattering in the Church after the apostasy in 1994 (who otherwise would not have been given such opportunity and blessing).

Mocking continues:
Sadly, the world, and even the Church that was scattered, is unaware that God’s Church fasted for them and has been praying for them. God is answering those prayers by extending the time before the Second Trumpet sounds and actual massive physical destruction begins in the United States. With this change of timing for the Second Trumpet and with the change of timing that occurred in the revelation of the “50 Truth” to God’s people, all others who are without this knowledge or that are unbelieving of such matters often turn to mocking that which they do not see.

We understand the inability of people to “see” what God is doing during the timing of this First Trumpet, so we recognize the need to endure more ridicule and skepticism for a longer period of time. It really doesn’t matter that people don’t yet accept what is true, but what is important is that more of them can be saved through what is coming. Those who are saved through all this will one day be very thankful to God and to His Church for what they did on their behalf.

Foolishly there are those who are quick to find fault by saying we are wrong or that I am a false prophet since physical destruction did not come at a time I had previously stated. It is easy to see, that without the understanding of “why” some matters of timing have changed, that some would doubt or ridicule what is true. Yet the time for the final 3 1/2 years has not changed at all. We are in it! We are in the countdown before the actual day Jesus Christ returns to this earth as king of Kings. There are those who unwittingly and ignorantly seem to wish that destruction was already occurring and that great suffering was already here. But that will come soon enough!

Many do not “get it” concerning the title of the last book that was published. It is 2008 – God’s Final Witness. That was the final and the last year for a witness to be given to mankind at the end of 6,000 years of man’s self-rule. At the end of 2008, the final 3 1/2 years commenced. Mankind has already received his last warning and it was God’s final witness.

Before the Second Trumpet is blown, God is giving more time for people to be humbled before actual physical destruction begins on a massive scale (whereby more can be saved). Rather than physical destruction beginning immediately, more people can actually be brought to humility through the prolonged process we are now experiencing, which will then be followed by massive physical destruction. This extension of time for the duration of the First Trumpet will help bring about more humbling through a process of people experiencing more fully the steady destruction of our economic system. It is where people have placed their trust rather than in God and obedience to His ways.

It’s the economy, stupid!
The quote, “It’s the economy, stupid!” has been repeated much in recent years. When the economy is down, it does get the attention of people. This is the very tool God is now using at the beginning of this 3 1/2 year period that will help begin to humble people and prepare many more for greater humbling once the Second Trumpet has blown.

Governments and corporations have practiced wrong economic principles that are responsible for breeding and providing fuel to greed, misuse of power, and the selfish use of wealth. The leader of this has been the United States. The very process of how the government has established the U.S. Dollar, the Federal Reserve System, the Federal Reserve Bank, Central and Commercial Banks, the Treasury, the IRS, Treasury Bills, with all its convoluted and intertwined workings that has established this entire worldwide economic system, is now falling apart.

Today’s predominating and sustaining financial system that the global economy has been woven from originated in the United States and it is now coming unraveled! There is no mending that will save it. It is doomed to complete destruction. That is prophetic and the truth of it is from God. Such a system cannot stand because it is against the laws of God. Yet the world has established itself upon this false Babylonish System, whether they know it or not. Initially, some nations believed they were immune from what has been happening in the collapsing global economy originating out of the United States, but they are quickly learning that they are very deeply tied into it. They are now finding just how attached they really are. Through time, they have become part of the same Babylonish System.

The pride of mankind is strong. Although the process of collapse has begun, people do not yet grasp how severe this is. As more is taken away, people will be humbled more. Even now, we are witnessing a growing loss of faith that people have in the economic system, banking, wall street, corporations, unions, investor consultants and so called financial experts, and in the very government they believed would intervene to save them. There is no system, no government, no person, no plan, nor anything or anyone but God who can now save people from what is happening in this world.

This first phase of destruction is one that hurts people financially and affects every facet of personal life, from food, clothing, housing, transportation, livelihood, etc. It is all encompassing in the daily lives of millions. The collapsing financial system of this world is only the beginning of a humbling process for mankind. This is why there are Seven Thunders that will continue to sound and increase in power and frequency. This is why there are Seven Trumpets to be blown. It takes much to humble the nature of mankind!

We are witnessing the collapse of the United States, followed by the complete collapse of all governments of mankind. It has already begun. Nothing can change the course of what is happening. The merchants of the earth are beginning to mourn for what they see collapsing before them.

The Prophetic Sixth Seal:
The prophecies concerning the further fulfillment of what is pictured through the events of 9/11 are well under way, but the world and the Church that was scattered are fully asleep to this truth. The prophetic Sixth Seal that manifests the destruction of 9/11 is beginning to be fulfilled now that the Seventh Seal has been opened and the First Trumpet has already been blown.

The prophetic destruction manifested in 9/11 was followed by a temporary shut down of Wall Street and the plunging of the Dow. It truly takes a lot to humble people, for how soon we all forget. People were shocked and horrified by those events that shook the economic world. Before 9/11 the Dow had been fluctuating between the 10,000 and 11,000 level.

Following 9/11, the Dow plunged in October of 2001 to 7,300. Over the years to follow, it continued to climb until it hit a high of 14,164 in October of 2007. Since that time, the Dow has steadily declined and has now surpassed the plummet that followed 9/11. This is indeed a time for humbling people as they see their hopes and faith for increased wealth diminished exceedingly, far below expectations.

God has taken away the blessing of wealth that He gave to the U.S. It was God who made the U.S. great. “We the people” did not make it great. Wealth and prosperity is steadily being stripped away, and this will continue until everything has been fully diminished. All of this is part of the power to humble in order to save.

…….
on March 6, 2009 at 3:40 pm sojourner

Well of course he had to say something. His predictions in his book are obviously wrong and will be wrong next week as well.

The capacity for human gullibility is immense and you all will be a case study in some future psychology book.

Look up “belief perseverence” on google.
on March 6, 2009 at 5:07 pm Maritimes Canada

The thing about the timing changing was acually in do time of the given dates .

One thing to keep in mind is that all the original interviews are still up and running for everyone to listen to . Now why would someone who was trying to pull the wool over any one’s eyes leave that information there for everyone to listen to .

Now what this is really about is God’s plan for the return of our King Jesus Christ . Man has done a real bad job of teaching the real story of the Holy Bible and the good news of God’s coming Kingdom.

All the stories from the old testament are about showing loyalty to God and how the 12 tribes of Israel kept on betraying our own Creator . Even after He took Israel under his wings and protect us through His great power.

Most of the Stories show that God always wanted people to know that it was Him that won the battles and not the amount of solgiers or the battle skills of the people that won Israel’s fights while they kept on to the land of milk and hunny.

Giddian’s battle was won with 300 of Israel’s best men that God picked through a type of lots cast while the men all got themselves a drink . There were thousands of men sent home but the Lord was with Giddien’s men and God fought their battle for them by having the enemy take each other out in confussion . The story is longer of course but my point being is the Lord doesn’t need many to work for Him and He never has used many to speak for Him .

Noah spoke to a cross section of those who lived in his day . God does not need a whole lot of people to show man’s hearts. The same goes for this age . Now Ronald Weinland speaks for God and has a church congregation that stand behind him and his wife .

As I metioned in my last post I am blessed to be a part of those who understand the 50 truths that Mr. Weinland has been given to explain and share with everyone that God has called into His church ,which is the Church of God-pkg – “the-end .com ”

If you go to the puplication section at the top of the Church of God link from the -end .com , you will see the 50 truths link . I say again how blessed we are to be given these truths and all the answers of why the timing was changed can be had through them with the 50th truth being the main reason nothing happened from April on until now.

The new posting from Mr. Weinlands personal site had already been posted here for you to read . Which explains what has been happening lately with the church and why things have gone this way .

The beautiful thing about what Mr. Weinland has said is that in the end everyone will know who he is .Some of the reason things have happened this way is for mockers to mock God . They know not that when they mock Mr. Weinland it is God that they truly mock . I pray for them ,and hope that in time they might truly humble themselves to the great God of Abraham ,our Creator .

We all owe Ronald Weinland a thank you for being as brave as he is and dealing with everyone that has been down on him . Thankfully some have been half decent about what they hear from him.

What is most interesting is they do not understand how God works . He works through our minds . The whole reason people feel for Mr Weinland is that God has placed those feelings in our minds .

That is why I mentioned what God did for Giddien and his army of 300 men . God woked through the minds of their enemies and destroyed them for Giddien .

Mr. Weinland does not want to see anyone suffer but He as well as His Church of God’s people know it all has to happen to usher in a new age that Christ will come to free us from ourselves and Satan .

The days are clicking by . God will let no one live into the 1000 year reign of Jsus Christ that doesn’t humble themselves to God .

Thankfully God is getting ready to call millions into the Church of God -pkg . Mr. weinland is trying to show people the way to God’s truth.

People may still want to focus on little things that were changed in do time and that is there perogative . I wish the best for everyone in these last 3 and 1 half years (less actually) . Godspeed Pentecost May 27 ,2012 .

Again I say whether you believe what Mr.Weinland has said or what he will say in the next couple years hopefully if you do not mock God you will live to see that Mr.Weinland and his wife are the prophesied 2 Witnesses of Revelation .

Godspeed May 27,2012 . Jeruselum time
Godbless
on March 6, 2009 at 8:06 pm rlee64

South Africa 28 –

Thanks for posting that.
on March 7, 2009 at 4:35 am Truthseeker

rlee64:
Thanks for the feedback.

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sojourner:

so⋅journ
/n. ˈsoʊdʒɜrn; v. ˈsoʊdʒɜrn, soʊˈdʒɜrn/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [n. soh-jurn; v. soh-jurn, soh-jurn] Show IPA
–noun
1. a temporary stay: during his sojourn in Paris.
–verb (used without object)
2. to stay for a time in a place; live temporarily: to sojourn on the Riviera for two months.

I think it’s time for you to move on, leave us delusional and gullible people to ourselves.

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Maritimes Canada:
I often think about how perfect RW is for his job. I have much gratitude toward him as well as all who sacrificed to be able to give us this opportunity.

Did you see how the grass and trees were burnt 33.34% at the end of the year of God’s final witness 2008. That was the number of percent that the Dow Jones lost in 2008, one third by the end of the year. Does that give you goosebumps? I also wondered that when the US (and others part of physical Israel) economy completely collapses if that would be 1/3 of the worlds wealth.

nice to hear from you

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South Africa 28
what’s up? I have been missing the news so send me any good articles from the drudge report.

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anyone who cares.
A friend of mine was able to upload all the sermons on my i-pod since the computer that I did that with doesn’t work anymore. So they restructured all the sermons. I like how the put all the Feasts since 2005 as separate playlists. I’ve been thinking for the last 3 weeks that I need to start and go through all the Feasts of Tabernacles sermons starting with what I have (2005). I didn’t realize until I started listing the connection to where we are now. Then I realized that I am to really go through this and understand this Truth is a more complete way but taking more time to study these sermons and scriptures. Very cool. I will write more later, if possible
on March 7, 2009 at 8:09 am South Africa 28

Hi Truthseeker,

All is well, thank you! I shall keep you posted, nothing very significant this last week, there where a few that can defi. be tributed to the stage setting….but I figured you read the same report so never thought about fwd on. I shall do so in the future as I know you are really busy these days!

That is really good advise about the feast of tabernacles sermons. I think i will do the same.

Take care!
on March 7, 2009 at 1:50 pm Maritimes Canada

Wow I am amazed at the percentage of the Dow Jones . Thank you for that piece of information . The green grass spoken of in Revelation 8:7 is being taken away mightily .

Australia is suffering greatly with floods and Droughts . Forest fires that have been responsible for many deaths . As well as all the other deaths from these natural disasters . The Brethren from the Church there no why they are suffering . I think we all should look to what is happening there and expect to go through a lot of the same .

Everything really has to do with FOOD . People are frantically trying to by gold ,silver and other resources of that nature because of the World Financial crisis . When what they really should be investing in is canned food products and non-perishable items to get through what we are in the midst of having to get through. As Mr. Weinland warns we can not eat a piece of gold or silver . He also warns not to get crazy also and just prepare for around 3 months or so ,which is just like a emergency rations plan that everyone should do .Even Arnald Swartenager of California’s is warning because of water shortage and such

Now even with that in mind it will not matter a lick if we all do not humble ourselves to God . The one true God and the one true Church of God .

I wish everyone would stop focusing on some of the things that changed and invest there time into the history of the church and study what happened during the falling away . The things that happened to the church definitely fall in line with the bible and 2 Thessalonians 2 and the man of sin .

Which brings us back to the 50 Truths that God gave the church . Instead of focusing on the couple of things that changed we all need to see the collosel amount of information we have thankfully been blessed with to prove where God’s true church is .

I am no better than anyone else . I want to be a part of even helping one person to see God’s truth before it is too late . I can see there are nice people here on this thread ,that just want the truth about what is happening here on the earth in these sick days of what man has allowed to happen .

It is easy to say that we are not responsible for the suffering on the earth but just think about one thing in your life that you are not proud of doing and them multiply that by the amount of people living today on the earth .

We do not even deserve what God is offering us through Mr.Weinland . He as well as the Church that he leads is the the Noah’s Ark of our generation .

The rain has began and God has given more opportunity to get in out of the rain . It would be a shame if we ignored that little voice in the back of our minds to take this opportunity to get in and join the family of God ;through Jesus Christ .

This is a glorious time to be living through ; when you see the hope behind these crisis’ of money ,food,and weather .

After the disasters cease ,our salvation begins . After the Worlds government fall . The final and last Great and Holy Government of this new age will rise with a great King to lead us , Jesus Christ .

That is what we need to focus on when things get worse . It is starting to happen a little more powerfully .

The Thunders of Revelation is what Mr. Weinland and his wife have been raised up to explain . He has said many times that he is not a fortuneteller , he is a prophet of the great God of Abraham , Isaac . and “Jacob (also known as Israel ).”

I am so exited to know where I came from “Mystery of the Ages”, and ” The United States in Prophecy”, are both wonderful guides to understanding (which both can be down loaded from the link:biblical Truths”)where we came from . Being from Canada I know I am part of Ephraim and the United States is Manasseh,both Sons of Joseph ,which is very important to understand as the prophecy went that Ephraim would be the greatest nation ever to be but Manasseh would over flow Ephraim’s borders . Being what happened with Britain and the United States .

United States and the British Common wealth in Prophecy was an exiting read . Everything can be proved by history and what not . I wasn’t a hard believer at first until much research was found and read .

It is all there for anyone to look up .

The scriptures of “SEEK AND YOU WILL FIND” now ring in my ears .That Christ gave us as hints to find the great truths of God . Living God’s way of life was nothing I ever expected . The joy I have been given since Baptism is greatly misunderstood .

I FINALLY UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS NO BURDEN LIVING FOR GOD . THE SABBATH DAYS FLY BY WAY TO FAST . THERE IS GREAT JOY WITH GOD’S GIFT OF THE 7TH DAY SABBATH .

NOW IF YOU WILL NOT GIVE GOD HIS DAY ,THAT IN ALL ACTUALITY HE GAVE TO US THEN HE SAYS IN HEBREWS 4 :3
For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:
” :SO I SWORE IN MY WRATH ,
” THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST,”
although the works were finished from the foundation of the world . 4For He has spoken in a certain place of the SEVENTH DAY in this way .

” AND GOD RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY FROM ALL HIS WORKS ,5 and again in this place .
“”THEY SHALL NEVER ENTER MY REST.”
6 Since there fore it remains that some must enter it , and those to whom it was first preached did not enter it because of disobedience

I needed to give this as an example to those who might not have understanding . It has to start with the Sabbath day . Which just happens to be today . Their is a live service to day at 2:30 eastern time that can be had from the church of God-pkg link from the- end.com .

The 7th Day Sabbath is a gift from God to us of rest and learning . All we have to do if you here that little voice in your head that this just might all be true is reach out and call to God ,because it just might be the God of this universe calling to you

We are living in the last 3 or so years before Christ return to us . Many of the disciples of old would give anything to be living at this time . My heart goes out to all those with out the eyes and the ears of understanding to truly see what we are being thrust into .

Patience is something that has been written over and over when the end times are written about .

With everything Man has done to destroy God’s great creation isn’t it obvious that we all would be tested in the end days .

The earth is a living creation . Try to read the Real truth about earthquakes . Written by our “Elijah to Come “Herbert .W. Armstrong . It might really explain what is lurking below our feet , and what is going to happen . None of us understand what horrific disasters are going to happen and it is only God that can deliver us through it all.

We all need Mr. Weinlands advice and concealing to make it through the most horrific events ever to befall m ankind .

None of us yet understand it in any measure . I for one will hang on God’s end-times prophet every word .

scripture talks about terror and people hiding in creaks and crevices in the earth . We haven’t experienced anything like what is coming .

The only thing to that will save us is our faith .

We are so blessed to have been given more time . Which is totally in part of Mr. Ronald Weinland and God’s church that he is helping to lead .

We all need to get ready and look to God to show us what we need to do to prepare .

God is not working through dreams or visions He is working through Mr, Weinland and the Church of God-pkg .
So be careful of falseness which has been on this earth ever since Jesus died through the Catholic Church and everything that has come through it .

Now again then 50 Truths that Herbert. W . Armstrong helped to bring to us and that Mr.Weinland has finished up up this point in time is the key to understanding how things are happing .
We have brought this all on ourselves and God is just going to clean up,our messes and bring us into a new age of peace happiness .

That is where our hope lies in the next 11 to 1200 days to Pentecost 2012 May 27th ,2012 .

I pray that I do not lose my way until that time .

Sorry if I got exited and babbled too much

I hope for no one to feel upset about what I wrote because I ment no harm to anyone .

Godbless
on March 8, 2009 at 4:48 pm Jack

“I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”
— Jesus Christ
on March 9, 2009 at 1:34 am South Africa 28

Hi Maritimes Canada, thank you so much for sharing….it is very inspiring hearing others confirm what I myself also see…..cannot wait!
on March 9, 2009 at 8:31 am Maritimes Canada

It is also nice to find a place where such important ideas are being shared .When most of the world stand with deaf ears to where we all stand in time .
I was very interested to see the feed back from the u tube video that Mr. Weinland posted on his personal site . Not all of a kind tongue but at least more people are hearing his witness , and I think that is the important thing about it all .
Nice to speak with you .friend
on March 9, 2009 at 9:43 pm Mal

The soon return of our Lord and Saviour to transform the world is something I find exciting beyond description, and it is clear that others contributing to this forum feel the same.

Many years ago, before I ever heard of Ronald Weinland, it was my understanding from the Scriptures that God has a 7000 year salvation plan, pictured by God in the 7 day week, the Sabbath day representing the final 1000 years when Jesus Christ will rule and reign on earth.

From the state of the world it is clear we are living in momentous times, and I believe we are indeed approaching midnight on the prophetic clock.

I got very interested in Ronald Weinland’s claim to be one of the end time witnesses and have read both of his books as well as Herbert W Armstrong material, and have listened to every Sabbath sermon since March 2008 and several sermons back to 2001.

SEVERAL THINGS BOTHER ME ABOUT HIS INTERPRETATION OF SCRIPTURE.

The Bible is clear that our salvation IS SOLELY THROUGH OUR FAITH IN THE SHED BLOOD OF CHRIST FOR OUR SINS, not through keeping the Sabbath or being a member of a particular church or any other legal thing.

Scripture tells us the sign of our sealing is through receiving the Holy Spirit of promise NOT BY KEEPING THE SABBATH.

I urge Ronald Weinland adherants to read the Book of Galations which is very clear that we are justified purely by faith in Christ’s sacrifice for us, and of the DANGERS of attempting to add anything of our own.
Apart from that, Ronald Weinland’s case for being God’s end time witness is simply not proven. He comes across as a persuasive speaker BUT ONE BY ONE HIS PROPHECIES ARE FAILING. AT THE PRESENT TIME THERE IS NOTHING TO SUBSTANTIATE HIM AS GOD’S PROPHET.

His sermons regularly point to the ongoing collapse of the world’s finances as an end time sign, which I believe it is, but that doesn’t make him a prophet of God.

The prophecies he made in his book and in radio interviews have clearly not come to pass. The reason according to RW is that ‘God is giving more time for people to repent’ and that we have cause to thank his church for petitioning God for this with recent prayer and fasting.

In his latest sermon he says the 45-90 days to the second trumpet no longer applies and now believes it could be a year or more before we actually see nuclear explosions in port cities in the United States. Incidentally, what happened to the predicted results of the first trumpet ?

Ronald Weinland himself has stated in various interviews that what will make him stand out from ‘other prophets who jump on the bandwagon’ is that he will predict events IN ADVANCE. The others will only ’speak for God’ AFTER the event. He has said that is why people will recognise him as being God’s true witness.

The purpose of this forum is to make an objective assessment of Ronald Weinland’s prophecies.

As I see it, so far the score is:
FAILURES – SEVERAL
SUCCESSES – ZERO
on March 9, 2009 at 9:48 pm Mal

Interestingly, I found a website from ten years ago which was pointing out that from Feast of Trumpets of one particular year forward to Pentecost of another particular year was 1335 days.

The website showed three separate examples of this occurrence over the space of just a few years.

Maybe not such a unique revelation to Ronald Weinland after all ?
on March 9, 2009 at 11:04 pm Maritimes Canada

What people really need to realize is that God is leading Mr. Weinland and the Church of God-pkg . That is something everyone will come to realize in time no matter what some think the score is at the present time .

I have listened to every sermon and read both books several times . Every time I read them I seem to find something I missed that screams out to me . Both books do the world a great service to mankind .

I understand people not wanting this to all come to pass but there is nothing any of us can do about it . People are talking about March 14 and can speculate about it all they want . What they do not comprehend that they all owe their safety to Mr. Weinland and God’s true church .

Nothing changes for any prophet of God . Not even after the church fasts for the Safety of Ephraim and Manasseh,and all the scattered church of wwcg .

Just remember that it is not Mr. Weinland you ridicule . It is the Almighty God . I pray that everyone try to remember who Ronald Weinland represents . You better remember that in the end it is truly God that you all are ridiculing .

Ronald Weinland is the spokesman for the 2 End-Time Prophets of the Almighty God . You will all come to see this .

Everything fits perfectly into prophecy . Even all the mockers . No one is above God’s plan . God revealed more truth and the timing was changed and it pin pointed Pentecost May,27,2012 . Not even Mr.Weinland is above God ,but at least he knows to humble himself .

He can take a bit of flake from the world . God is still working with him and the those who are still living on this earth from the 144,ooo that come back with Jesus Christ. It all happened to humble God’s true Church . I think Mr. Weinland would just say “So be it” and focus on helping more people see the truth and live into the 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ . He is a great man !

Take care
Godbless
on March 9, 2009 at 11:46 pm truthbeliever12

What many people don’t understand is that it’s not dates that keep us going, it’s not timings, and it’s not a man. None of these things could ever convince us to the point we are at in our lives. If so, the world would be here too. It is God Almighty because we see the changes in our lives, we see what God has done.

I use to think that I always did “good,” but what God has revealed to me a long time ago is that my good was motivated by selfishness. And selfishness is the root of all evil. We can see it in other churches, we can see it in other religions, we can see it in other atheists, we can see it in everyone.

But most of all we can see it ourselves. Sometimes we have to be brought low, but through repentence is where our faith lyes, and we begin to see the world for the way it is. We can then see God is working through Mr. Weinland, and we believe the timing of Christ’s return just like Christ knew he was going to die and ascend to heaven.

From a physical point of view, many can justify why Mr. Weinland is wrong, even though things are becoming quite obvious (you get use to a stench when in it for a while). But see God works on a spiritual level. I find it amazing how much pride people have sometimes. God has planned this out millions, billions, and before forever years ago, and many are here a few months and know for SURE they are so right to reject what is true. You know even if I wasn’t in the Church and disagreed with it, I would still becareful for the things I said, if I would say anything at all. It’s a scary thing to go against God Almighty.
on March 10, 2009 at 8:50 am South Africa 28

Hi Magisto,

Well done on your latest you tube video. Not sure if you have heard Mr Weinland say how inpressed he was and if you are in the church he would like to know so he can say “well done”!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF6CdNeqigQ

Thank you for doing this and putting it out there, alot of people are seeing it and leaveing there comments….
Thanks!

[quote]God’s Family Plan (Ronald Weinland)
by Magisto on Wed Nov 26, 2008 11:20 pm

Hello everyone, I made a video with one of Ron’s sermons.
It was kind of on the spur of the moment, but I think it turned out pretty well. =]

I’m not trying to get any self gratification out of this… this has just been on my mind for awhile.
And it was time we see some pro Weinland videos out there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAYTqOOQRX8

Enjoy.

-DanMagisto
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on March 10, 2009 at 11:18 pm Jack

Maritimes Canada

“What they do not comprehend that they all owe their safety to Mr. Weinland and God’s true church .”

Are you saying that if nothing comes to pass on or shortly after the 14th, that we have been given more time because of the prayers of Mr. Weinland and God’s true church? I want you to know how I feel about your statement. I owe my safety to Jesus Christ of Nazareth, Son of the Living God, not any one man or congregation.
Using the excuse of fasting and praying to extend a prophesied date is unacceptable to me as reasonable.
Yes Mr. Weinland is saying we are in the end time and I believe in the testimony of Jesus Christ as to the signs in the sun and the moon and the stars, but to say he is a prophet and to give out date after date with excuses and more fasting and praying is futile. When I first heard that someone was actually preaching the prophecy of the end time from the gospel, I was happy and intrigued, but then dis-heartened due to inaccuracy.

Truthbeliever:
“Sometimes we have to be brought low, but through repentence is where our faith lyes, and we begin to see the world for the way it is.”

How many will be brought low if Citizen X proclaims Ronald Weinland a “charlatan” on the 15th? Or even after a few more days grace? Or in SEPTEMBER 2012? None of you need to be led by a man. Do not be disappointed with Mr. Weinland to the point that your faith is crushed. All you need is your bible. It is a kind and gentle teacher. The testimony of Jesus Christ clearly tells you what the gifts of the Spirit are.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such there is no law. — Galatians 5:22

Anyone who believes in God and his son Jesus, should have those qualities. If we live by the Spirit, let’s walk by the Spirit. Let’s have no self-conceit or provoking of one another, and no envy of one another, because there truly is no other name by which we can be saved.

The kingdom of God is closer than you think. Peace be with you in the name of Jesus Christ.

Thanks Citizen X

*Please don’t close your blog. This little flock can learn from your example of patient endurance.
on March 11, 2009 at 8:40 am Martimes Canada

Actually we all owe are safety to God .Jesus Christ is the Son of God and our Passover in whom we all owe being able to go to God and ask the forgiveness of our sins .

I can tell you right now nothing will happen on the 14 ,and maybe not for the next year . Mr. Weinland is God’s prophet and head of the Body of Christ on this earth and the one who God has chosen and worked with to help bring the Kingdom of God to us all .

I don’t expect many will believe it until the2nd trumpet is blown and even then people will not believe what is truly happening . It is prophesied that the Witnesses are killed in Jerusalem and still people do not believe who the witnesses are until God raises then up when Christ returns to bring God’s Kingdom to reign over us .

I want to be able to say I love Christ also . I know that I can not say I love him as he loved us because that is impossible not having the same mind that he has .That takes a life time to achieve . Ronald Weinland has been worked with by God for a life time . He understands the mind of God more than any of us here on earth can ,still being flesh and blood . That is something many are going to learn the hard way in the end . Which is not March the 14 . It is Pentecost May 27th ,2012 .

Dislike that fact and focus on things that have been explained already if you like but in the end you are only fighting the Mind of God and the very Christ that you say you hold so dear .

Godbless
on March 13, 2009 at 1:17 am Jack

He who has ears to hear and eyes to see, hear what the Spirit says:
If it is the adherents of the law who are to be the heirs, faith is null and the promise is void. Romans 4:14

Maritimes Canada:
“Jesus Christ is the Son of God and our Passover in whom we all owe being able to go to God and ask the forgiveness of our sins” .

Yes, Jesus Christ is our passover from the curse of the law, to the new covenant of eternal life.
Blessed are those whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered;
blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not reckon his sin.
Now that does not mean that just because we have been freed from the law we can sin and get away with it, but if we who truly believe Jesus has come in the flesh, we will be forgiven according to our faith.

“Mr. Weinland is God’s prophet and head of the Body of Christ on this earth and the one who God has chosen and worked with to help bring the Kingdom of God to us all .
“
If Mr. Weinland is God’s prophet he would never cease to glorify Jesus. I listened to his sermon this evening and he was saying Jesus did not exist before he was born of Mary.
Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” So they took up stones to throw at him; but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple. — John 8:58-59
I hope that scripture doesn’t make you angry, but I am sure if I said it in person to Mr. weinland, he would be upset and try to explain his version. (or just walk away)

“He understands the mind of God more than any of us here on earth can, still being flesh and blood.”
He wants you to believe he is a prophet of God.

And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up serpents, and if they drink any deadly thing, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover. — Mark 16:17-18

A prophet of God would believe in Jesus Christ and no harm would come to him. He would be able to heal the sick and speak in foreign languages with ease. Now the serpents and deadly drinks are not for showing off. Those signs are manifestation of the protection the Holy Spirit affords those who truly believe in Jesus Christ. Healing the sick comes from the love of fellow mankind. There are other scriptures about healing the sick, raising the dead etc., but I want to keep this comment reasonably short.

Many have posted comments about “the day and the hour” but Mr. Weinland says many of the scriptures were for that certain period of time, and before the “truths” were revealed. My opinion of his statement about that:

Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall never pass away. Mat 24:35,Mark 13:31,Luke 21:33 That is mentioned three times in separate gospels for a reason! God is perfect. If scripture is twisted unto deception, the truth will always overcome the lie. Satan has no power over the Word of God. The truth is always made clear…….eventually.

“Dislike that fact and focus on things that have been explained already if you like but in the end you are only fighting the Mind of God and the very Christ that you say you hold so dear .”
Resistance is futile, I cannot fight the mind of God or Jesus. What God wants, God gets.

I’ll let my friend Jesus Christ of Nazareth, Son of the Living God, have the final say:
You search the scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness to me; yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.– John 5:39
I told you that you would die in your sins, for you will die in your sins unless you believe that I am he. John 8:24

Peace be with you.

P.S. I’ve never been a member of any church so this is a new experience for me. Please bear with me.
on March 13, 2009 at 7:33 am think-differently

“Now that does not mean that just because we have been freed from the law we can sin and get away with it, but if we who truly believe Jesus has come in the flesh, we will be forgiven according to our faith.”

What do you mean, “Jesus has come in the flesh”?
on March 13, 2009 at 9:35 am South Africa 28

Hi rlee,

Have you listened to the 2005 Feast Sermons yet? Can be found on below link:

http://www.cog-pkg.org/audio/2005_fot.aspx

Also quite pertinent would be the “God of Eternity pt1 & pt2″ sermons of the last two sabbaths.
on March 13, 2009 at 10:01 am Martimes Canada

I just want to say something that is provably pretty obvious . I am not a minister of God but I do feel God has given me the ears to hear the truth when I hear it . I believe that Jesus hasn’t eternity existed as Mr. Weinlanad is teaching as a revelation from God to Jesus Christ which then of course is given to Mr. Weinland then to to the body .

These revelations are what God has given to show where His true Church is . It is funny that people would use the same scripture to try to prove that Jesus has existed eternally that I was shown to prove that God is the only true Eternal living being .

I am not going to quote scripture because I know there is no way to make people believe anything they do not want to hear but if you go back and read the scripture about God and the Word maybe God might open your minds to understanding that when the “word” was mentioned it was prophetically speaking of the future . The “word” or actually the MIND OF GOD .

The second verse of Genesis 1:2 also is not speaking of when the earth was first created . If you read it you will come to see that God was already over the waters of the earth . This scripture is speaking of after the destruction that Lucifer and his fallen angels were responsible for .

That fact is well known in the scattered church . The revelation of Jesus not eternally existing is something God gave to set His true church a part from all the other scattered wwcg . Not only that but to show where His Witnesses are .

All through the bible the word prophesy is in many places . When in Revelation it speaks of the 2 Witnesses prophesy for the last 3 and 1half years . This is all part of that Witness . The fact that many have problems with what Mr.Weinland says only falls into scripture because even after He and His wife are killed in the streets of Jerusalem there will be people waiting to see if they are truly resurrected to spirit life . So the fact that many don’t like what they are hearing only falls into prophesy and they are truly helping scripture be fulfilled .

I look forward to the time when more people are called into the Truth . I would just caution those who would mock . Discussion is one thing which I feel most here are doing but do not put your selves in a position that you would mock God in whom He is working with Ronald Weinlanad is something I would warn people not to do .

The reason I think everything has went this way is to let people show there true being . When I say people I mean “MAN” in general . We all have great trials when it comes to dealing with our pride . I know that I am no different . I wonder why God has given me ears to see and hear in these end days but He has thankfully and the best way to get to the truth is listen to sermons and read the literature available for us all to learn from . Something I have to do more of myself .

I hope everyone has a wonderful Sabbath this weekend and listened to the Sermon on Saturday afternoon if they truly want truth

God’s love to you all
on March 13, 2009 at 12:24 pm Martimes Canada

They are great sermons to show that God is the only true eternal being . Which really takes nothing from Jesus Christ . It actually helps to show that he was truly mortal. Flesh and blood . That to me blows my mind as a man battling everything that he did and overcoming Satan and overcoming where Adam failed to take His inheritance of our King . How can you inherit something that you already eternally had ?

Scripture after scripture show the difference between God and His son . This is how God will test people . His government demands obedience . Always He has used few people when He fought for Israel . He always made sure that they knew it was God and not them .

Learning that Jesus never existed before he was borne of the virgin Mary is the very thing God is giving us to accept and be brought into the truth .

Every pain and hurtful thing in this world comes from our defiance of God and His truth . I will definitely pray for God;s understanding to be poured out over everyone who has been discussing all these important matters of the last days before Jesus Christ returns to this earth . Which is 1171 I believe . Pentecost May 27, 2012 seems very far off in the distance but since I started to be given understanding time has been flying by . Thankfully God has had great mercy on us all ,and not let destruction come to the nations of Spiritual Israel yet .

For those speaking of the pain and suffering not coming to this earth yet ,I hope that you are grateful for things not coming to pass as first expected . I know that at fist I was set back until God helped me through and I learned through the revelations of the sermons of the church that it was a test of our faith . Even in the Body we were not really ready for what was expected . I expect that when it truly comes to pass that I will be scarred out of my mind but we all need to look up to our Creator .

I have much hope for everyone giving their opinions here on this thread . By that time hopefully we will have shared enough together to realize what is happening . I am plaining on going through the book sermons once again for hopefully a little more revelation since God seems to be pouring more of His Spirit out on the 12 scattered nations of Israel .

Very exiting times we live in . I pray that you all take in what God is pouring out on us about He being the only Eternal living God !! Listen to the feast sermons as the last post South Africa28 has suggested as well as the last posted Sermon from March7,2009 and the one before February 28,2008 .

Godbless
on March 13, 2009 at 3:28 pm South Africa 28

Christ is coming:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwVhlsMUDuc

The Sabbath & the mark of the beat:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl41CEcIUpw

Is Sunday the lords day:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBrl393A5S0&feature=related

Have a wonderful Sabbath!
on March 13, 2009 at 5:15 pm Truthseeker

ONLY FOR PRO-WEINLANDers

I think someone with time should set up a forum for people only pro Weinland. I think this site is good to a point but I have really no desire to continually to say the same things and yet, never get a chance to say anything other than trying to defend Our church. I think there are plenty of sites out there for people who disagree with Mr. Weinland and yet they feel like they need to come here and convince us with their brilliant reasoning in how Mr Weinland is a false prophet. In my journey I studied with a church that has more truths than most traditional Christain churches but the moment that I confurmed that they were really false, I was gone. This was even after I made personal emotional ties with several people in this church. But, my goal was not making or keeping friends or trying to prove these people wrong becouse my motivation was finding the Truth. Either, we have the truth or we are seeking it, or we are spending our time trying to justify why we live the lives that we live. Example, ” we don’t need to keep the Sabbath because…”, etc. But, trying to reason with such people that if they have proved Mr. Weinland wrong and they should move on, they refuse, because they find more satisfaction from (let me say) “mocking”, than they do from seeking the truth.

I myself get no satisfaction from trying to prove these people wrong or defending my beliefs. I don’t care what anyone thinks about what I believe, and the fact is I am either wright or wrong but it is what I believe and I am responsible for it.

I get satisfaction from talking to others who are like minded and sharing this same mind of God. If I was to create a forum I would Delete anyone who has made their mind that RW was a false prophet because the reasons I have already stated. But, I do not have the time to do this and or to learn how to do this.

Anyone have any ideas?
on March 13, 2009 at 6:10 pm Maritimes Canada

Something to pray and meditate on . I was disappointed also at the u tube video’s responses . Anyone who is from God’s true church knows that money is not the reason behind anything that goes on in our working ,other than being able to get as many books out and the day to day workings of the Body .
I have to admit some of the responses are so far out there it is almost funny at the lies people will try to put out there about Mr.Weinland hoping that it might be hurtful to him and the church ,not realizing that they can not hurt what God has set forth .
I would have to guess that it would be pretty hard to stop people from bashing Mr.Weinland unless we had the same set up as the informational group we have through yahoo where we all need to be member before even being able to link on . I had wondered the same thing also on how to keep in touch with members to discuss what is happening in the world .
I know that over face book there are members that keep in touch but I wouldn’t be willing to give names over an unsafe link as this one .
Something to keep in mind . Maybe someone could start a group on face book for baptized members or something . The only thing is it could be somewhat hard unless it was possible to know every new member ,which could be getting hard especially once millions are called ha,ha,ha
Just an idea Truth seeker. Have a great Sabbath
on March 14, 2009 at 12:24 am Citizen X

Once again, TWW is not an avenue for Weinland-haters. If there are those who are convinced he is a false prophet, there are plenty of forums where you will find likeminded people.

Regardless of what occurs March 14-15th, The Weinland Witness will remain a haven for those that are not hostile to Weinland, if only for the sole reason that all other forums of discussion are rabidly anti-Weinland.

I tire of repeating the principle this site was founded on again and again. Notice served – offenders will be dealt with.
on March 14, 2009 at 1:19 pm sojourner

Let me respectfully mention that there is one day left.
on March 14, 2009 at 5:27 pm Truthseeker

Maritimes Canada,
Thanks for your thoughts. I can’t go that far, for it is not my place to create a place for baptized members only, but I thought a forum like this who welcomes anyone who is sole pro or curious towards RW, strictly deleting anyone who is against or talks negative towards RW. This being a place where we can spend more timing with like minded people vs trying to defend our stances. I would not go as far as saying that one would have to be baptized though. And of course we could not do anything that could give out personal info. Another option might be to just remain on this site and to total ignore all who are against RW, to give the site monitor time to erase such messages since he says he will be more strict on his rules. Although, this seems harder to say than do, since some continue to say non-sense to antagonize us.

When I read your messages I laugh inside because, I have been where you are now and I think we all go through this process. We just have to go through it to know really what it is to be called and that it is the Father to do the calling and that we ourselves can not give it to anyone. It can still get to me sometimes until I remember and than think about the time coming when Truth will be pured out on the whole world and I get a much better appreciation of the Truth and what we have been given.

How about that sermon? Awesome. Awesome. Awesome. He pulled it all together perfectly and so powerfully.

Peace all
on March 14, 2009 at 6:11 pm Truthseeker

South Africa 28

great video’s.

I just caught up yesterday on the news links, thank you.
on March 14, 2009 at 6:13 pm Maritimes Canada

The sermon was very exiting to me especially all the scriptural references to prove that there is only one Eternal living God .
I have listened to the feast sermons of 2005 but hearing them live in this age we are living is much more breath taking .
I think I would like to see the expressions on those faces when the second trumpet is finally blown . The same goes for the announcer of the last interview . I know that is bad and I need to pray for those who can’t see this for what is truly happening , but I can’t help myself .

I can’t remember ever hearing anything said about March 14 in any sermon saying that anything will come to pass on or around that timing . I do remember hearing that everything changed because of the new revelation that God gave in the 50th truth .

I guess people will only hear what they want to as Mr.Weinland often speaks of .

Actually now that I think about it all a little clearer , I think it would be better if some of those people who keep bashing Mr.Weinland made it through and then realized at how they fought God tooth and nail .

I would still like to be there when they realize it though . Maybe I will if it is after the 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ .
I imagine Mr.Weinland will be speaking with a few people and telling them what they through away .

I am doing my best to grow . I know even looking back to when I first was called to now the difference of how I was thinking ,so I can appreciate what you are saying .

Talk to you later and enjoy the rest of the Sabbath
on March 14, 2009 at 9:17 pm Mal

I am not totally sure what Citizen X meant, but I am posting this on the basis that this forum is still open for discussion about the truth of Ronald Weinland, and is not now solely for committed Ronald Weinland adherents.

I have been interested, but undecided, about RW for many months. A few months back, I wrote to Church of God PKG expressing interest, and to tell them I agreed with them that the 7th day Sabbath and the 7 annual Festivals God gave in the Old Testament pictured God’s Salvation Plan (Passover, Unleavened Bread, Firstfruits, Pentecost, Trumpets, Atonement, Tabernacles). They then advised me to ‘flee’ my current church, with or without my wife, implying I was in some kind of danger.

Since then I have had strong reservations about the Church of God PKG and their insistence that all Christians have to rigidly keep the Sabbath and the Old Testament Festivals, as if salvation itself depended on it.

I would like to respond, if I may, to a recent entry by Truthseeker.

Regarding your comment that you have had enough of continually having to defend your church (Church of God PKG) on this forum, I feel that I also have a right to defend my church from the remark made a few months ago that I needed to ‘flee’.

I am confident my church and many, many other churches are filled with genuinely saved people who love Jesus and whose spirits have been brought alive by the Holy Spirit.

Therefore, I will defend my church with the following extracts from the Word of God.

(Heb 8:13) In speaking of a NEW COVENANT, HE HAS MADE THE FIRST ONE OBSOLETE, and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.

(Gal 2:16) yet knowing that a man is NOT JUSTIFIED BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW but through FAITH in Jesus Christ

(Luk 5:36) And He also spoke a parable to them: No one puts a piece of a new garment on an old garment. Otherwise, both the new will tear, and the old does not match the piece from the new.

(Gal 3:10) ALL WHO ARE DEPENDING UPON THEIR OWN OBEDIENCE TO THE LAW are under a curse

(Gal 5:18) But if you are led by the Spirit, YOU ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW.

(Gal 3:13) Christ has made us FREE FROM THE CURSE OF THE LAW, having become a curse for us

(Gal 3:11) But that NO ONE IS JUSTIFIED BY THE LAW in the sight of God is clear, for, “The just shall live BY FAITH.”

(Rom 3:20) For ON THE GROUND OF OBEDIENCE TO LAW NO MAN LIVING WILL BE DECLARED RIGHTEOUS before Him.

(Rom 11:6) But if by grace, then it is no more of works; OTHERWISE GRACE IS NO MORE GRACE.

(Gal 5:1) CHRIST HAS SET US FREE! This means we are REALLY FREE. Now hold on to your freedom and don’t ever become slaves of the Law again.

Saved Christians come before God on ANY day of the week (when Jesus died on the cross, the curtain of the temple was rent from top to bottom).

Many of the issues that RW classes as so vitally important are very legalistic (for example, the issue of 14th/15th Passover and at what time the Sabbath actually starts in the evening – see Page 40/41 0f 2008 God’s Final Witness)

This is completely taking away the simplicity of the Gospel according to the NEW COVENANT.

Jesus surely didn’t come just to save intellectuals who are experts in the Festivals of ancient Israel, but also to set free and change the heart of poor and lowly sinners who have absolutely no idea about the fine details of the Festivals of the Old Covenant which Scripture tells us is OBSOLETE (see above Hebrews 8:13).

WHEN IT IS PROVEN THAT RONALD WEINLAND IS GOD’S PROPHET THEN I WILL JOIN CHURCH OF GOD PKG.

Until then, my interpretation of the Word of God is that there are millions of Christians in all types of churches, classed by RW as ‘traditional Christianity’, who are saved by FAITH in Christ’s shed blood for our sins and who have been sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise (Eph 1:13).
on March 14, 2009 at 11:34 pm think-differently

I am sorry that you took the word “flee” as you did. The church would expect that you would recognize good, sound advice. I would not recommend that you continue with your “church” either. No one else in my entire state is on board yet, but when God calls, they will answer. I suspect, by your response to the particular word, that you have found a piece of truth, but have not been called yet. You will need to humble yourself before God, which is basically saying “I know nothing, my family knows nothing, my friends know nothing, no human being can help me, but you can, God. I will trust you!” Once you have humbled yourself, God will be able to work with you.
on March 15, 2009 at 5:19 am Mal

think-differently

Sorry, but you have not responded to the point I made or the Scriptures I quoted.

I would like a response to the quoted Scriptures from Church of God PKG adherants.

Those Scriptures make it clear we are not justified by the law but by FAITH in the shed blood of Christ for our sins.

The Word of God does not say anything about joining a particular church, so I see no reason to leave mine.

My church is clearly full of joyous saved people, full of the Holy Spirit, who have been set free in Christ by the NEW covenant not the Old Covenant.
on March 15, 2009 at 8:31 am think-differently

I will refer you to the cog-pkg page of scriptures if you want a response to scripture. While you remain attached to a Sunday-worshiping … “church,” the Body of Christ works towards the millennium. I pray that you will humble yourself, or join sojourner in leaving us for a different website more in tune with negativity towards Ron.

There is only one true church – the Body of Christ which is taught solely by the Church of God – Preparing for the Kingdom of God! We do not join a “church” but are baptized into the Body of Christ and then have a minister of God lay his hands on us for receipt of God’s power.

Do you believe that the Holy Spirit is the power of God? Do you believe that Jesus and God are son and Father, two separate beings – that Jesus did not come into existence until he was born of the virgin Mary? Do you believe that God gave us a holy day, from Friday sunset until Saturday sunset to learn from Him? If not, pray for humility, and leave us alone, for now…
on March 15, 2009 at 8:41 am Graz

Hello everybody here!

I have been an observer of this blog since it started, and have “delved into” Ron’s books, listened to interviews, considered scripture as presented by Ron (based on Herb’s long established beliefs), and considered the possibility Ron could be telling the truth. I am brimming over with wanting to discuss the subjects raised by this blog (sincere thanks for your measured and tolerant blog site Citizen X). I really believe a more tolerant and less aggressive stance on Ron was required to balance those less willing to allow events to run to get a fair chance for proof.

MY comments here come as a person that would love to see many of the people of the world we live in come to GOD, accept His Supremacy, The Gospel of Jesus as their salvation, and the Bible as their guide-book. All that is contained in the Bible seems to have served those who seek GOD for millennia – to deny this fact is to consider GOD as having not given us the clues we need, something I would contest. If the Bible is wrong – we’re all in big trouble! I also speak as a person largely ignorant of GOD, but sincere in my search to find Him through the truth of Jesus.

The truth is something I am sure we all seek, and I am ONLY willing to put my trust in GOD and his Son. I have no trust for church organizations, as many have stated scripture interpretations as “thus saith the Lord” and history has proven them wrong. The people that followed their doctrine lost various worldly acquisitions and friends, went mad, but more to the point many lost their faith. I will not labor the point to list examples, as there have been too many to list! If there are 3000 “only way to GOD” churches, at least 2999 of them are untruthful! The familiar lines uttered in the times of anticipation by devout members of many organizations all have an eerie similarity. Most of us down here would love to be in a world RUN according to GOD’s plan and word, with Jesus heading up the first government this world has seen that hasn’t been corrupt! Do I think I deserve a place in such a government – GOD knows! But if charged – I would rise to such a challenge knowing GOD never asks anybody to do what he hasn’t designed them to solve.

Churches, in the main. Let’s not forget many go into or join a church to find GOD. Many in sincerity. Some make friends, and enjoy the chance to talk about GOD. Then the church line starts. The scriptural conflict with church dogma is uncovered, the cracks appear and the person/family is faced with that all important (yes it is!) choice – the church, peers, friends, business networks established – or truth towards GOD. Some leave, others stay. Others leave and repeat the experience. Some listen to others experiences, research, compare to the Bible, and abstain.* Having not ever been in a church that has less worry for me, but many I have met in Bible study groups have shared a story, some heartbreaking. Mal’s posting is more than fair imho. And many others here too. I don’t think any seek to attack GOD, but those involved in any church (RW’s included) are very defensive. What do you defend? GOD needs no defense, he is ALL Powerful. If GOD is working with anybody, including Ron/Laura then their proclamations made in GOD’s name will come to pass, as proclaimed. We have the Bible to refer to here again, a good example Elijah. Proclamations followed by timely and accurate responses from GOD, leading to GOD’s plan and intentions being carried out. Nobody there would have been in doubt.**

Now. So many out there have been in doubt – and when I first came across Ron I was more than intrigued, moved to read “2008…”. I have personally been feeling these times coming for some time now (clear since 1997). The state of the world does not surprise, but saddens me. What a failure man’s satan-inspired system has proven. Ron’s interviews were full of CLEAR prophesy, defined dates, prophetic definite milestones to look for. Statements about the release of the book being to predate the prophesies for the reason that future readers my know Ron as a prophet by the accuracy and fulfillment of his statements. And a clear statement that if the events did not come to pass as stated, in detail and in time that he would cease. Tall claims, in black and white – no grey. Not so tall if Ron acts as a prophet of GOD, with GOD behind you ALL things are possible – without GOD, failure.

What I believe sets a true prophet of GOD apart from an untruthful man is not;-

1) How many believe and follow
2) How long they can preach, run a ministry
3) How eloquently they speak
4) How popular/unpopular their message is, but

If their proclamations and prophesies come to pass.***

The fact is, in time – this week, month, year, decade etc. – at some point the events as warned about in Revelation will surely come to pass, as described. I have absolutely NO doubt of that. Accurate. Dependable. And at that time many/some/one may be claiming to be GOD’s prophet and “showing their way” in the name of GOD. If our faith is in GOD, not men – how are we supposed to identify the truth teller(s)?

Interesting scripture;-

*”{Matt 18:20} For where two or three are gathered
together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.”

**”{Elijah 18:33} And he put the wood in order, and cut the bullock in pieces, and laid [him] on the wood, and said, Fill four barrels with water, and pour [it] on the burnt sacrifice, and on the wood. {18:34} And he said, Do [it] the second time. And they did [it] the second time. And he said, Do [it] the third time. And they did [it] the third time. {18:35} And the water ran round about the altar; and he filled the trench also with water. {18:36} And it came to pass at [the time of] the offering of the [evening] sacrifice, that Elijah the prophet came near, and said, LORD God of Abraham, Isaac, and of Israel, let it be known this day that thou art God in Israel, and [that] I [am] thy servant, and [that] I have done all thesethings at thy word. {18:37} Hear me, O LORD, hear me,that this people may know that thou [art] the LORD God,and [that] thou hast turned their heart back again. {18:38}Then the fire of the LORD fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that [was] in the trench. {18:39} And when all the people saw [it,] they fell on their faces: and they said, The LORD, he [is] the God; the LORD, he [is]the God.”

***”{Deut 18:18} I will raise them up a Prophet from among their
brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his
mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall
command him. {18:19} And it shall come to pass, [that]
whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall
speak in my name, I will require [it] of him. {18:20} But
the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my
name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that
shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet
shall die. {18:21} And if thou say in thine heart, How shall
we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
{18:22} When a prophet speaketh in the name of the
LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that [is]
the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, [but] the
prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be
afraid of him.”
on March 15, 2009 at 9:11 am Graz

I almost forgot – the given definite truths I have found in the Bible state the observance of the (real) Sabbath is certainly in full effect, never changed by scripture. From Rev;-

{Rev 12:17} And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and
went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep
the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus
Christ.

Those Commandments are there for many good reasons, from spiritual guidance to earthly sanity!! Thank GOD for the Sabbath…

Sunday “sabbaths” clearly are paganism and mithras-worship. GOD has more than a few things to say on the subject of sun-worship in the Bible!!!
on March 16, 2009 at 12:49 am sojourner

March 15 came and went. Is everybody still here?

Pretty much wraps things up, eh?
on March 16, 2009 at 10:39 am Byron

Though I’ve always considered RW a false prophet (well, ever since I heard of him, which was a little over a year ago), I can’t fault Citizen X from having this open forum and remaining open-minded; too many folks aren’t open-minded, either soaking up everything that comes from a “leader’s” mouth, or debunking anything that smacks of “faith” (though we all live by faith, atheists as well as believers). I appreciate his spirit even if my doubts kept me from posting, believing this to be a forum, as he has vigorously maintained, for those undecideds who take that wait-and-see approach. It’s difficult to keep vitriol down and exalt goodwill and clear reasoning, but to the degree you’ve done that, Citizen X, I salute you.

That said, is it not now time to make that final judgment, once and for all, regarding Mr. Weinland and his “prophecies”?
on March 16, 2009 at 11:29 am Jack

sojourner:

No. It doesn’t wrap things up. There are some who are devastated by the date of March 14. Some have put all their time, energy, and savings into that date. They will need counselling and a safe place to talk about this major event in their lives.

Things are not wrapped up until the mess is cleaned up. There may even be a few who have lost their faith and become atheists. That would be a tragedy.
on March 16, 2009 at 8:28 pm rlee64

Jack –

There are many from the old Worldwide Church of God who fall into that last category. When the doctrinal changes were officially made in that organization it was as though someone smashed it with a hammer. I’m friends with folks who will not attend any organized ‘religious’ group because of what happened. Especially any considered remnant offshoots of the old WCG.

The events that occurred there were a tragedy, but from what I’ve come to understand, a necessity. (I prefer the hammer analogy to being spewed from God’s mouth – but that’s me.)

Given what I’ve read here (essentially God repenting of the 3 1/2 year time period of the Tribulation and shortening it so that others may come to repentence prior to its occurence) those focused on the time table are kind of missing the point. (Am I correct in my understanding?)

Yeshua is still to return on Pentecost of 2012 – but the time of Tribulation leading to that date has been shortened – correct?
on March 16, 2009 at 9:19 pm think-differently

rlee64,

I am saddened to read what you wrote. You obviously have not listened to Ron Weinland.

Spewed out of God’s mouth is biblical; repent means to think differently; the name Yeshua is tied to Messianic Judism which is a group of trinity believers; and tribulation has little to do with the last 3 1/2 years.

I suggest humility before God, a humbleness that says you know nothing, and that no other human being can help you, only God. If God believes you are honest in your humility, He will show you truth. I am sorry you are misled, but you shouldn’t put down anyone or anything you know so little about.
on March 17, 2009 at 4:41 am sojourner

Jack – Now that is an honest comment. And my comment was aimed at the people who are still doing the misleading not those who were misled.

If there is a forum for those people, perhaps you could post the web address here. I agree those people need to heal.

think-differently – it is unclear how you can carry out the level of arrogance you express all the while calling for others to approach God with humility. Your clear inference is that anyone who does not believe RW is right even as he has been wrong so many times has not come to God in humility.
on March 17, 2009 at 11:27 am rlee64

think differently –

I read his book 2008 – God’s Final Witness.

I know the “spewing” thing is Biblical and I wasn’t mocking that or anything, it’s just that another analogy is a more accurate picture for me given the experience I went through with the WCG.

To be honest – I’d not listened to any of Mr. Weinland’s recent Sermons (the last being Trumpets ‘08) but I visit this site daily to see what folks are saying. The “understanding” I have is based on what I’ve gleaned from yours (and others’) posts.

I’m very aware of names and defintions and such as I was once an activie member of Mr. Weinland’s old congregation in Western PA. I honestly don’t understand how I’m being seen as putting anyone down . . .

All I’m doing is asking questions and stating my understanding based on the information being presented to me. And I’m doing it in hulmility . . . .
on March 17, 2009 at 7:35 pm Jack

rlee64
Why do you call him Yeshua? You are speaking english. Why use hebrew pronunciation of Joshua?

Pontius Pilate made it very clear that his name is Jesus.
on March 18, 2009 at 8:04 am rlee64

Jack –

Some reading I’d been doing. It has to do with language and what exactly ‘Joshua’ (or Yeshua or other spellings, but the same pronunciation) means in the Hebrew – which is “God is our Salvation.” That’s his name. Jesus is a transliteration – not a translation.

Does it matter that there is only one name given under heaven by which we must be saved? I guess it depends on who you ask. For my part – I think Joshua is more fitting . . . because that is what God told Mary to name her Son.
on March 18, 2009 at 5:35 pm Jack

Jesus is mentioned in the new testament over 900 times. Pilate wrote:
Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews
in Latin, Hebrew, and Greek.
Even the roman historian Josephus mentions Jesus in the Jewish Antiquities.

I believe that Jesus Christ is the only name by which I can be saved, and I will never forget it.

Ronald Weinland says “People believe what they want to believe”, and I believe His name is Jesus.

You will believe whatever you want, and you will do whatever you want………until Jesus returns.
on March 18, 2009 at 6:17 pm think-differently

H8034
שׁם
shêm
shame
A primitive word (perhaps rather from H7760 through the idea of definite and conspicuous position; compare H8064); an appellation, as a mark or memorial of individuality; by implication honor, authority, character: – + base, [in-] fame [-ous], name (-d), renown, report.

G3686
ὄνομα
onoma
on’-om-ah
From a presumed derivative of the base of G1097 (compare G3685); a “name” (literally or figuratively), (authority, character): – called, (+ sur-) name (-d).

The word “name” appears 958 times in the Bible. Jesus or Yeshua may not be what it is talking about every time. We have been told, as English speakers, that Christ’s name is Jesus, and so I use it. The “name” by which we are saved is the “authority” of Christ.
on March 18, 2009 at 6:30 pm Jack

think-differently

could you post the same type of search results for the word Jesus?
on March 18, 2009 at 6:34 pm think-differently

G2424
Ἰησοῦς
Iēsous
ee-ay-sooce’
Of Hebrew origin [H3091]; Jesus (that is, Jehoshua), the name of our Lord and two (three) other Israelites: – Jesus.
on March 18, 2009 at 6:38 pm Jack

Thanks!

How about H3091 ?

Where are you getting this stuff?
on March 18, 2009 at 6:46 pm think-differently

H3091
יהושׁע יהושׁוּע
yehôshûa‛ yehôshûa‛
yeh-ho-shoo’-ah, yeh-ho-shoo’-ah
From H3068 and H3467; Jehovah-saved; Jehoshua (that is, Joshua), the Jewish leader: – Jehoshua, Jehoshuah, Joshua. Compare H1954, H3442.

I use e-sword for my Bible program. It’s a freebie, just go to http://www.e-sword.net/ and download. It comes with the KJV with Strong’s numbers.
on March 18, 2009 at 9:01 pm Jack

think-differently

thanks for the link.
God works for good in all things.

I chose eSwordLIVE

The computer age has provided tools for everyone. This is going to make my job much easier.
on March 19, 2009 at 9:36 am think-differently

Jack,

To respond to your note of earlier this month, 3/13:

“He who has ears to hear and eyes to see, hear what the Spirit says:
If it is the adherents of the law who are to be the heirs, faith is null and the promise is void. Romans 4:14″

It is impossible for any human being to adhere to the law. We try to follow the law, because we love God. We are forgiven for not making it, because of Jesus’ sacrifice.

“… but if we who truly believe Jesus has come in the flesh, we will be forgiven according to our faith.”

You never answered my question, what do you mean by Jesus coming in the flesh. I know that it means Jesus is coming into my flesh right now, as well as into the flesh of others right now. Conviction is another word for faith. Do you have a conviction that Jesus lives in your flesh right now?

“If Mr. Weinland is God’s prophet he would never cease to glorify Jesus. I listened to his sermon this evening and he was saying Jesus did not exist before he was born of Mary.
Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” So they took up stones to throw at him; but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple. — John 8:58-59″

Ron Weinland mentioned this scripture in his last sermon, 3/14/09. I think he explained it quite well. No, we would not get angry over the scripture at all. “I am” is a common old testament saying.

“And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up serpents, and if they drink any deadly thing, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover. — Mark 16:17-18″

Two things – (1) think of “name” as “authority; and (2) these particular signs were of the time of writing, not now.

“A prophet of God would believe in Jesus Christ and no harm would come to him.”

This was not true of any other prophet of God. Why should it be true now? I do agree, however, that nothing will happen to Ron or Laura until 3 1/2 days before Christ’s return on May 27th 2012.

“He would be able to heal the sick and speak in foreign languages with ease. Now the serpents and deadly drinks are not for showing off. Those signs are manifestation of the protection the Holy Spirit affords those who truly believe in Jesus Christ. Healing the sick comes from the love of fellow mankind. There are other scriptures about healing the sick, raising the dead etc., but I want to keep this comment reasonably short.”

Not for now. The end-times are the transition period, and these signs will not be used to prove anything.

“Many have posted comments about “the day and the hour” but Mr. Weinland says many of the scriptures were for that certain period of time, and before the “truths” were revealed. My opinion of his statement about that:”

Since Ron gets so aggravated every time he hears this, I will answer. No one knew the day nor hour at the time Christ said it. No one knew the day nor hour until it was recently provided to Jesus, who in turn provided it to the prophet, who in turn provided it to the Body of Christ. We still don’t know the hour.

“Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall never pass away. Mat 24:35,Mark 13:31,Luke 21:33 That is mentioned three times in separate gospels for a reason! God is perfect. If scripture is twisted unto deception, the truth will always overcome the lie. Satan has no power over the Word of God. The truth is always made clear…….eventually.”

Yes, the truth is made clear, eventually, to those who are humbled and listen.

“I told you that you would die in your sins, for you will die in your sins unless you believe that I am he. John 8:24″

The “he” in “I am he” is not there. You should listen to last weekend’s sermon.

Jack, you do not understand, but that will come in time:

John 8:42 Jesus said to them, If God were your Father, you would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
John 8:43 Why do you not understand my speech? even because you cannot hear my word.

John 8:47 He that is of God hears God’s words: you therefore hear them not, because you are not of God.
on March 19, 2009 at 11:03 am So Thankful

Hello everyone,

Just checking in as I do on occasion. Wanted to share a thought with all that frequent here.
How important is the Truth to you?
At what lenghts are you willing to go for God’s Truth?
Have you humbly went before God and asked “No matter what it cost me, I want your Truth”?

Are you familiar with the parable of the Hidden Treasure or Pearl of great price? Well, when God reveals his Truth to you – rest assured, you have found that hidden treasure and Pearl of great price.

The Parable of the Hidden Treasure:

“Again, the kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field, which a man found and hid; and for joy over it he goes and sells all that he has and buys that field.

The Parable of the Pearl of Great Price:

“Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant seeking beautiful pearls, who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had and bought it.

One last thing. Repentance must be something we desire. It is still God who grants it.
Bottom line – we can not even repent on our own.

Does the word “wretched” have personal meaning to you?

Goodbye for now. I am So Thankful!
on March 20, 2009 at 12:09 pm Maritimes Canada

Hello , First off I just wanted to wish everyone a wonderful Sabbath this coming evening . I was interested in the e-sword link that had been mentioned in a couple posts .
I think I will check into it in the next little while .

The posts of this past week seem to be less confrontational . That was the main reason I decided to enter into conversation with people on this link as there are so many that just want to bash Mr. Weinland .

From my point of view Ronald Weinland has been right on point . I have never been one to follow anything with out investigating things before entering into it .

This provably has been said a lot and people for the most part would think me naive but I spent many days and weeks studying the history of WWChurch of God so when I came to hear Mr.Weinland’s words about the falling away of the church after 2Thessalonians and Matthew 24:15- had been fulfilled it seemed so real to me and fear ran down my spine all the more because I had already come to believe who Ronald Weinland was .

I am doing my best to always be thankful for the huge blessing of God giving me understanding of where we are in time . Especially seeing all the past members of God’s church still being fast a sleep .

Again everyone have a great Sabbath . I am awaiting what God has for us from our end-time Prophet , Ronald Weinland . I pray that God pours out much knowledge and understanding on everyone that falls into God’s will .

Godbless
on March 20, 2009 at 1:59 pm South Africa 28

Hi Maritimes Canada,

Thanks! And a great Sabbath to you too. I am already observing the Sabbath as we are ahead of you guys. Been watching Mr Armstrong’s teachings, so inspiring!!!

U.S. and God’s Promises to Abraham Pt 1 of 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yeBQtSLDRc

U.S. and God’s Promises to Abraham Pt 2 of 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1EoAxyYilc&feature=related

U.S. and God’s Promises to Abraham Pt 3 of 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4pZf8YR5RU&feature=related

All the best!

Hi Truthseeker,
Hope you are doing well? I have emailed you but I think you mentioned somewhere on a post that you had a computer problem?
Let me know when you can.
on March 20, 2009 at 5:14 pm Jack

think-differently you asked

“what do you mean by Jesus coming in the flesh.”

I mean I believe that Jesus has come in the flesh. There are still those who believe that the messiah still has not come. ie: Jews, hindus, atheists, etc.

But this is the reason I wrote “in the flesh”:

1 John 4:2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit which confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God,
3 and every spirit which does not confess Jesus is not of God. This is the spirit of antichrist, of which you heard that it was coming, and now it is in the world already.

and of course:

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, men who will not acknowledge the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh; such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist.
8 Look to yourselves, that you may not lose what you have worked for, but may win a full reward.

Now on to the other comment you made when i posted this scripture:

“I told you that you would die in your sins, for you will die in your sins unless you believe that I am he. John 8:24″

The “he” in “I am he” is not there.

I have three bibles in front of me and they all say “I am he (RSV, NASB, KJV, AND E SWORD ESV)
Also your e Sword bible program, which I am happy you told me about, says “I am he.”

Why did you tell me the “he” in “I am he” is not there?
on March 21, 2009 at 7:19 pm Maritimes Canada

South Africa 28 . I watched the u tube clips and enjoyed them very much . I have read United States and the British Commonwealth in Prophesy and really should read it again as the clips brought to memory what a good read it was . Especially with my bible .
I remember how floored I was when I first realized that the nation I live in was the nation of Ephraim and the United States was Manasseh .
I always seem to get more every time I read Mr.Armstrong’s writings . Not to mention Mr.Weinland’s .
Thanks again as they were a good way to end the Sabbath with South Africa 28

Godbless
on March 21, 2009 at 11:12 pm sojourner

It has been nearly a week since things were supposed to blow up.

When is the next thing that is supposed to happen that isn’t going to happen?

Could one of the true believers tell me which unfulfilled prophecy will be the deal breaker? Is there anything that could shake your faith in RW?
on March 22, 2009 at 12:44 am think-differently

Jack,

There is not much point in writing to you right now. Without God through his prophet guiding you, you will not see scriptures the way that you need to. I repeat:

John 8:42 Jesus said to them, If God were your Father, you would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
John 8:43 >>Why do you not understand my speech? even because you cannot hear my word.<<

John 8:47 He that is of God hears God’s words: you therefore hear them not, because you are not of God.

Ron Weinland pointed out in a sermon a long time ago that the statement “Jesus is come in the flesh” is a mistranslation and should read “Jesus is coming in the flesh.”

1John 4:2 Hereby know you the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ is come (is coming) in the flesh is of God:
1John 4:3 And every spirit that confesses not that Jesus Christ is come (is coming) in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof you have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come (is coming) in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
2John 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.

I don’t know what version you were using, but Ron has also said that as many errors as the King James Version has, it is still the best version to use, because all others have a doctrinal bent.

The “he” in “I am he” is not there.

The KJV has written the “he” in italics. This means it was not in the original language.

I am not calling you an anti-Christ, but you definitely don’t get it.
on March 22, 2009 at 12:48 am think-differently

Sojourner,

You don’t get it either.
on March 22, 2009 at 5:59 pm Maritimes Canada

Nothing can shake my faith in God and His 50 truths that He has given us through His church . Ronald Weinland just happens to be the voice of God’s church and spokesman of the Two Witnesses .

Do yourself a favor and go read the article titled the 50Truth on the Publications link of the cog-pkg website and if you have already then read it again . That is where our faith in Ronald Weinland comes from .

If you still can’t understand where our faith is coming from then I truly feel for you and your future respectively ,because it isn’t your time to understand this yet .

I never once heard Mr. Weinland mention anything to do with a deadline in March so as far as losing any faith in something He never mentioned it doesn’t really effect me personally .

That is the easiest way I know to explain it to anyone . Now if anyone twists that in the same way that Mr.Weinland’s words seem to be twisted and misrepresented then that wouldn’t surprise me much.

I have read the same thing here on occasion as a lot of people would rather bash Ronald Weinland then actually listen to sermons posted every Sabbath day that have covered everything that most have been bashing him about in great detail for the most part .

At this point of the game I know that nothing much could ever shake my faith in Ronald Weinland because I follow him as he follows Christ

Godbless
on March 22, 2009 at 8:40 pm sojourner

Oh I have listened to the 50th “truth” sermon and read his explanations. He said he was presumptuous to think he knew what God meant.

He went ahead of God and then tried to explain his way out of it.

Citizen X does not appear to be ready to follow his own statement of discernment.

When you say thus saith the Lord, and it doesn’t come to pass, then you are not a prophet of God.
on March 22, 2009 at 9:09 pm think-differently

sojourner,

You don’t get it.

John 8:42 Jesus said to them, If God were your Father, you would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
John 8:43 >>Why do you not understand my speech? even because you cannot hear my word.<<

John 8:47 He that is of God hears God’s words: you therefore hear them not, because you are not of God.

I hope that one day you will be of God. Matthew 3:2 …, Repent you: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
on March 22, 2009 at 9:41 pm sojourner

Being of the Father means knowing the Son. It is called substitutionary atonement.

You are saying here that the only ones who are of God are those who believe RW is the end time prophet.

Adding something to the grace of God, eh think-differently?
on March 22, 2009 at 9:51 pm think-differently

sojourner,

You don’t get it.
on March 23, 2009 at 7:52 am Maritimes Canada

I came across another blog this morning “No Cool Aid Zone”
Some of the subscribers were saying that they have been here not representing themselves truthfully . They mentioned that they wanted others to check this blog out also and were putting down Citizen X down pretty badly .
Not that Citizen X needs my intervention but I felt that the subscribers here should know about the wolves in sheep clothing that have been stocking this blog .

I find it hard to feel for those who blatantly miss represent them selves . I know there will come a time in the near future, between now and 2012 that they will feel differently.

Mark7:6
He answered and said unto them , “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written ,’This people honors me with their lips,But their heart is far from me,
And in vain they worship me,Teaching as doctrines of men.’

At least those of us who are so called true believers can be totally honest about what we believe .

It never ceases to surprise me the arrogance of this world
It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if these people get what they want and the suffering starts very soon .

I know it will be a fight to pray for them . Maybe the fact I have been shown that is a good thing and something to work on .

Anyway wish everyone a good day .
godbless
on March 23, 2009 at 8:22 am think-differently

Thank you for the good day wish Maritimes Canada.

I wouldn’t overly concern myself with other websites or non-believers sneaking(?) in on this site. I believe I have been able to see an obvious difference in the writing styles. A believer, while there is a chance for mistakes, is honest and open as far as what Ron has said. A non-believer appears to question things that have long been known to have been answered. A believer has no problems with the three basics – the Sabbath, tithes, and the name of the church (God’s). Non-believers generally have problems with the Sabbath, money, and generally believe there is either no true church or that there is more than one true church.

I wish to welcome any new believers, and have been known to “put off” non-believers. I’m mostly unconcerned with putting off persons, as I love the Eternal Elohim with as much of my heart as I can – definitely more than anyone or anything else. The only problem I seem to come across lately, is a continuation of looking at myself in mirrors. I hope I overcome this soon!
on March 23, 2009 at 10:36 am Maritimes Canada

I truly felt dirty while reading some of the comments . I doubt very much if I will bother with any of those sites . I am very grateful that I came across this blog and be able to express myself here .

I know that I am spiritually young . It is easy to observe that there is maturity and balance here to learn from . I wish to overcome much of my pride also .

To quote Mr.Weinland I know it is one thing to understand things but another to live it . Well that was more of a paraphrase ,he,he .

I am in awe of the last sermon . God’s Passover part1 . I still have to pinch myself at how blessed I am to be given understanding of these awesome truths .

I am awaiting what God has through the coming Holy Days for our understanding . The fact that we have safety through them shows me the mercy of our God truly has no bounds .

I know that I wasn’t ready for all the suffering before understanding was given of the 50th truth and I am so grateful to God for the extra time . I am not ready now but I am a little more balanced then back at the end of 2007 .
I hung on for dear life through the 50th truth and thankfully here I am still fighting the fight . Hopefully I can fight on through the 2nd Trumpet ,and everything else that comes after it . As long as I stay close to the trunk of the tree hopefully God will see fit to help me through it all

Talk to you all later .
Godbless.
on March 23, 2009 at 12:45 pm Jack

think-differently

in response to your last comment to me you wrote:

“I don’t know what version you were using, but Ron has also said that as many errors as the King James Version has, it is still the best version to use, because all others have a doctrinal bent.

The “he” in “I am he” is not there”

I clearly told you what version I was using:

I have three bibles in front of me and they all say “I am he (RSV, NASB, KJV, AND E SWORD ESV)
Also your e Sword bible program, which I am happy you told me about, says “I am he.”

RSV=Revised Standard Version
NASB= New American Standard Bible
KJV= King James Version
ESV= your e-Sword

I’ve always used the Bible HWA told me to buy. I have two other versions to back it up, and now your version e sword.

I clearly told you what version I was using, yet you wrote that you did not know.
on March 23, 2009 at 5:46 pm think-differently

Jack,

I didn’t know “exactly” which version you had decided to quote from. The “he” appears, at least in the KJV, but it is in italics, which means that it was not in the original language. Sorry for the misunderstanding. But, you still don’t get it.

Quoting from my 3/22 post:

”
The “he” in “I am he” is not there.

The KJV has written the “he” in italics. This means it was not in the original language.

I am not calling you an anti-Christ, but you definitely don’t get it.
“
on March 23, 2009 at 6:01 pm think-differently

Maritimes Canada,

I know what you mean about “feeling dirty.” I used to look for messages about Ron every day, but it’s been a while now. It’s still disappointing that there is so much trash written out there. But Ron has said words to the effect that while he was at first blown away by it, because he’d seen so much anti-Armstrong stuff and he didn’t feel worthy of the attention, he understands now that he is. It fits right in there with the sermon last week, when after quoting from John 8:42 – Jesus said to them, If God were your Father, you would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. – he said we can tell how people feel about God, by the way they respond to us. It’s located at about 54 minutes into the original mp3 track. There are not many people now loving God! Hopefully, that will change soon!!

Now that this last Sabbath’s sermon is posted, I need to hear it again and again.
on March 23, 2009 at 6:20 pm Maritimes Canada

I listened to this weeks sermon again this morning while I went for a walk before we started to get dumped on with another snow storm ha,ha. I really want to listen again and be able to take my time with my notes and such . It was awesomely inspiring .

I am also reading the Incredible Human Potential . It is taking me a while because every time I come to a scriptural reference I end up reading the bible for an hour or so he,he,he . I know Mr. Armstrong wasn’t totally out of the trinity doctrine when writing it or Mystery of the Ages but I still love what God gave us through him .

Have a nice evening everyone (:
on March 24, 2009 at 12:29 am truthbeliever12

I myself still have a tough time saying that I love God. Because I know that every time I sin, I am guilty of spilling the blood of Christ. It is through repentence that my love for God grows however, and will continue to grow into the millenium(the thought of meeting Christ in a few years is still unreal to me). I am also young in God’s Church and by age, but I’ll know when the time is right in my prayers to say the words “I love you God,” because they are so very powerful.
God has planned the times we live in now long ago. Sometimes we feel like we know better on how things should be done, (especially over the summer), but its exciting to see what God is doing and why. After all, he knows what’s best for everyone. God loves everyone, and for the people who deny what is true(some on this site), its simply a blessing in disguise for them. God allows this world to be the way it is because he loves us, a love the world knows not of.
Godbless
on March 28, 2009 at 12:18 pm Truthseeker

Hello all (pro Weinlander’s)

I am also reading the Incredible Human Potential. I am amazed with the dates and times in God’s plan(among many other things). I can’t believe that no matter what I read or listen to I still learn more and more. I love how HWA writes things in this book. It’s very clear. I was just reading about how Jesus was dead 3 days and nights from Passover, which falls on the wave chafe (I don’t know how to spell this word). and then 40 days later Jesus assended to Heaven and 10 days later was the first Pentacost. Just as we count Pentacost 50 days from resurection of Christ or the Wave Shaft. This is just a small example but I was listening to the sermon from the Last Great Day 2007 and Wayne Mathews said (I think this is where I got this from) something like our God is the real/True God becouse he created and made a plan and is fulfilling His plan. In essence, all will be able to look back and see what God said and how it was fulfilled and know that He is God.

The thing that no one “WILL GET” until they are called is the one mind of Christ that we all share in the Church of God-PKG. No matter what ever is said to them, unless they are brought to the mind of Christ through the Father they will not get it. But we can learn many lessons from this. Let me give you one example.

At my job I have the pleasure of working with many different people and we have a lot of down time so just about every night I end up talking about the Gospel. Not that this is my mission, but it is just what is in my mind and we will always end up talking about something that will head in that direction. Sometimes I don’t get that far but something that is True is said. Usually I will ask questions then there will be something that relates to me. But, I have also experienced the rare occasion of talking and everything just flowing out perfectly and actually I realized later that it was not coming from me at all because I could not duplicate these experiences at will. And I have had another experience’s. It is when talking to people who think they already know everything and when they say something that is false I have everything in my mind but I can not get anything out. It is like I just bable.

Last night I worked with this lady who is a JW and I knew it before, because we have talked about it before. Because I studied with them 8 months I know the fundamentals of what they believe. I asked out of my curiosity, “what day do you guys keep Passover”. I knew they kept it though they do not actually keep it, they just watch those who they think are part of the 144,000 partake of the bread and wine, etc. She said that they keep it one the 9th (14/15th) and that they don’t call it passover they call it the communion of Christ. But it was funny because it was like the way say said it you would think Passover was a dirty word. It greaves me that these people miss out on so much. To understand God’s Holy Days and His plan is like a great treasure (or should we say Great Pearl). “THEY JUST DON’T GET IT.” Why, because they do not have the mind of Christ and they don’y have the Spirit to guide them, yet.

I tried to talk to her about the Passover and the dates but yet I could not and I was not permitted to.

Last night I woke up wide awake and read pages 108-114 (read the next section also) starting with “THE CHURCH IS BORN” and finishes with “THE PREVAILING ERROR”, in the “THE INCREDIBLE HUMAN POTENTIAL.” I learned many things but the main point that I wanted to mention was what the job of an Apostle is and the body, etc.

Got to go now
on March 28, 2009 at 5:00 pm Truthseeker

Back again.

I wanted to also say that I have also felt that dirty-ness. It was when I read similar sites and especially when I read the current World Wide Church’s web-site in reading under history and how they came out of a “cult”, etc. I know that this feeling meant I am in the presents of Demons.

Many of you answer quite well those who just want to bash RW, and I am glad you do, because I can not do it any longer. I’m not sure why I can’t anymore, something has changed in me. So for me I will only address those who are positive or curious towards RW.

In response to what Maritimes Canada wrote, to all:
when you mentioned about people bragging that they pretend to be neutral…etc. It is funny because they can only fool themselves and others who are not being called. Because as what RW said on the last Sabbath sermon (I think), the Spirit knows the Spirit. You can go back to the beginning of this forum and see many who try to say many things and one who is called or is being called can see clearly what games they are playing because WE have one mind. And this they will not understand or get until they are called soon or in about 1000 years from now. For those of you who are new and not sure, than you can tell by listening to RW’s sermons and reading his books and ask yourself, “is this what is in my mind?” When I first was being called I realized that if RW is wrong than I am wrong because what he says is what is in my mind and it is what I think. Of course there was things that I had to grow in and understanding came with time, patience and seeking the Eternal, until I came with the knowing and complete fullness of understanding of what this calling means and what it is and what is the Truth. If what RW sounds completely off and wrong than I recommend you seeking the Truth and God with all your heart and mind because time is short.

Peace and Truth

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