Hi everybody… My first “meaty” posting onto The Weinland Witness will be of the biggest nagging controversy that both believers and non-believers alike have been struggling with, believers struggling because they’re trying to get the non-believers to grasp and understand why the timing has been the way that is has, and non-believers struggling because they’re trying to get the believers to understand why Mr. Weinland is already a false-prophet end-of-story. Both sides of this equation can be quite very compelling as well as frustrating because we all would like for each other to understand and believe what we’re saying, now wouldn’t we ? I am beginning with this subject of timing because this stands at the crux between people believing or not believing Mr. Weinland’s prophethood from God.
On the surface of this issue, it would seem to be very understandable why Mr. Weinland has been deemed as a false prophet by so very many persons, because the events that he wrote about did not come to pass during the time-frame which he had originally given. If this was all I was examining, then I too would deem him as a false prophet, but more should be examined to judge the whole entire picture of this. After examining this bigger picture, it is still up to each and every one of us as to what we decide about Mr. Weinland. I am not here to push my beliefs upon any of you, because I cannot have anybody believe me anyhow, as only God has the ability of opening-up somebody’s mind to bring them to the light of His truth, no human-being has the power to do this, although some will receive the words from believers and will cause their minds to be sparked whereby they desire to examine things more and more further and God opens their mind more and more through the power of His Holy Spirit. I am only here to try imparting both sides of the issues, for both believers and non-believers alike, in as fair of a manner as is possible for me.
It is very understandable why people would discount Mr. Weinland as being God’s prophet when his original time-frame was changed, I mean even I slightly hesitated and at least thought that maybe possibly he was wrong, but there is just too much power in everything else that he has said, so many doctrinal things that make perfect sense regarding the Bible, and the actual timing from the 50th Truth, tying it with the judgement of the Man Of Sin, of Satan, and of mankind, and the revelation just keeps on coming and coming.
One of the first things that I should talk about is the issue of whether or not God would allow His prophet(s) t0 be in error. One thing that we should remember is that we must adopt a humble spirit of humility, because God works with that kind of mind, one that has been humbled and has a lack of pride. With that, we have to understand the possibility that God is working in a manner that is not understood, the possibility that He does what He does for great purposes. The actual time-line for future events to occur has not changed, it was always gonig to be the current time-line, but Mr. Weinland did not have the full understanding of the actual time-line because God had not yet revealed the truth regarding the timing for the return of Jesus Christ, which is what Mr. Weinland was using to derive his first time-frame, because God’s Church had long believed that Jesus Christ would be returning on the Feast Of Trumpets, but it wasn’t until after Mr. Weinland had already given his original time-frame (through what he had thought to be the truth in God’s Church for decades) that God revealed that Jesus Christ would be returning on Pentecost, on the very day that has always symbolized God’s first-fruits in God’s Kingdom.
Now, if God’s revelation of this timing was withheld, then we have to take our issues to God and not to Mr. Weinland, although there is no way to prove that this timing was indeed withheld, but there are so many great purposes for why God would do this:
#1. There is so much spiritual warefare being waged out here, the likes of which we cannot yet comprehend. So much battle between the righteous angels and the fallen angels (demons), and if God had revealed the 50th Truth much earlier, like by a year or 2, then Satan and his demons would have had more of God’s truth with which to use as weapons in their warfare against mankind.
#2. The withholding of the 50th Truth until later gives God’s Church greater humility through persecution, ridiculing, or whatever you wanna call it. Now, I’m not saying that people ridiculing are horrible because of this, because it’s understandable that somebody would reject God’s prophet due to the stated timing not being correct, but God’s withholding of the actual timing allows for greater humility of His prophet and of His Church, and humiility is a very great lesson that God teaches to us in various manners.
#3. God’s revelation of this timing would further separate His Church from the scattered Church, as well as from the rest of the World, by showing that God continues to give revelations of truth, even if something was stated by God’s prophet that was thought to be truth in God’s Church. One huge instance of this is when Mr. Armstrong had received revelation from God that Pentecost was not to be kept on a Monday but instead on a Sunday, as Monday was long believed to be the truth in Gods Church, and everything they did centered around what they believed to be the truth, until God showed them what the truth was. Did this prove to us that Mr. Armstrong was a false apostle ? Most all of the people whom believed in Mr. Weinland before the timing issue could grasp and understand God giving revelation of the truth about Pentecost to Mr. Armstrong, even after believing for decades and possibly even for centuries that Pentecost was to be kept on a Monday. So thus, if God would withhold His truth until His perfect timing to reveal it to His servants like Mr. Armstrong, then why would it be so far-fetched for God to do this with His prophet for the 50th Truth which had much to do with the timing for the return of Jesus Christ ?
We should be taking-up our issue with God if we cannot understand why He would withhold such important truth until after Mr. Weinland had already given the time-frame that he believed to be true ? God only judges us with what we have been given, much just like Moses, and Abraham, and all of the apostles and prophets throughout all of the ages of mankind, they were only judged based upon what was revealed to them through God, and they were given so much less than Peter and Paul and John were given, but yet God only judged them based upon what had been given to them, not based on what was withheld from them. It is God’s nature to not reveal everything at once, and it is us human-beings that perceive that it would have been better to reveal the timing for the 50th Truth much earlier thn it indeed was, but we don’t have God’s mind, we cannot know when God will reveal more truth to His Church. The withholding of the truths regarding timing is no different than withholding truths regarding doctrine. This further shows that God’s revelation is a progressive revelation and not an instant revelation for all things at once. Now, whether Mr. Weinland is true or not, we need to be praying to God and humbly, sincerely, and genuinely asking him to show you what the truth is, to give you greater understanding of what His real truth is and why he reveals His truths in the manner in which He does, because only through being humble about your desire for the truth will actually bring you to the truth. If you desire the truth more so that you can say you were right, or just to be saved, then that is not a good reason to desire the truth. We should want God’s truths because we are zealously on-fire for God’s ways of living life and to learn about God’s mind and how God works. No matter whether Mr. Weinland is correct or not, we need to be praying to God in this manner if we ever hope to come to the real truth regarding anything, and only God has the sword which can pierce the very deepest recesses of our minds, the great interpreter and discerner of our minds, and God knows more about our own thoughts and thinking than we do for ourselves, such mighty power that God says.
I can truly understand why people could look at this timing issue on the surface and automatically deem Mr. Weinland to be a false prophet, which is why I cannot be madd or angry at somebody whom doesn’t yet believe because God hasn’t given it to them yet (although the reason is probably because they haven’t sincerely prayed to God to receive what the truth really is). Sometimes I ponder over whether I am following the wrong thing or not, and I think about this quite a bit because it would be bad to be following the wrong thing, but then I think back to my calling, and how powerfull it felt for me, how everything was finally making sense to me for the very first time in my whole entire life, the purpose for mankind even existing, and the actual manners in which God has been using to bring this about over the course of 6,000 years. I also examine everything else which Mr. Weinland has been saying, and everything just makes so much sense to me, but this is just how I personally feel, and I understand that many of you don’t feel this way, and I can greatly respect that, because one that we can agree on is that God gives all of us choice, the choice of whether or not to believe with what he presents to us.
I even wrote to Mr. Weinland because one thing which concerned me was him saying that he would stop ministering and deem himself a false prophet if what he said did not come to pass. Even though I still believed, ths was a thorn in my mind for quite a while, but then I pondered on the fact that once again Mr. Weinland was sounding so incredibly confident because of what he believed to be true about Christ and Trumpets, but he had no idea that revelation changing that belief was coming, and one of the things this does for God is gives him a witness that his servants will do based only on what they have been given, and I believe that this is precisely what Mr. Weinland did, because he didn’t know that there was further revelation coming, and so he very boldly stated a time-frame for April 17th, 2008 as the blowing of the 1st Trumpet, but little did he realize that God was going to be giving very powerfull revelation regarding the timing for the return of Jesus Christ, and unfortauntely for Mr. Weinland’s reputation, that did indeed call for him changing what he had originally stated regarding the original time-frame, much just like God’s revelation to Mr. Armstrong called for the changing of the doctrine from keeping Pentecost on a Monday to a Sunday. We must judge God’s servants upon what has or had been given to them and what has or had not been given to them. There is so much purpose that God had in not revealing the 50th Truth until later, and if we have an issue with that, we need to be taking it up with God, because if we are wrong about declaring Mr. Weinland to be a false prophet (meaning if Mr. Weinland is indeed real, true, and correct), then we need to seek greater understanding from the only being that can give it to us, and that one being is God, it is not Mr. Weinland’s truth, it is God’s truth. The one thing which I will firmly stick to is that I will have been wrong if nothing yet happens by 2011, because that is the absolutely latest which the 2nd Trumpet could be blown for there to be enough time for the future events to come into fruition.
What I said here in this posting is not to say that I am right and everybody else is wrong, but I’m merely just trying to impart the reasoning behind why we shouldn’t yet declare Mr. Weinland to be a false prophet, because we might be going against the very manner in which God is working. Maybe God didn’t withhold the 50th Truth back and Mr. Weinland is just a liar and a deceiver and a false prophet, but then I have to discount everything else that he has said which does seem to be of the truth upon examining the Bible. Just think about this though, because had the 2nd Trumpet blown during Mr. Weinland’s 1st time-frame, then there would not be much ridicule or mocking of him, but the danger would be that then he and God’s Church might have gotten bragfull and say that they were right all along, and plus, God could also have been showing to His Church and to the World that even God’s prophet can speak something that wasn’t of the full power of God’s truth simply because God had not yet revealed the full truth. This is a very very trying and testing issue, and I wish that this didn’t happen because it feels like it’s causing so much hardship, but I do believe that God has His reasons and His purposes for doing anything and everything that He does, and I pray that we be given further understanding as to the mysteries of how it is that God is working things out. I mean, I didn’t hear many on-the-fencers talking about how Mr. Armstrong changed something in God’s Church due to revelation of truth from God, but only because it’s happening with timing that we all wanted to see come to pass are we not believing Mr. Weinland, and in a sense we are being a little selfish because we are then wanting to see the timing coming to pass for the wrong reasons. If it’s in God’s purpose for the timing to be revealed at a specific moment in time, then this is God’s doing, and sometimes we cannot understand why God is doing things the way that he should be doing them. People feel that God should not have withheld the truth about the Sunday Pentecost until 1974, why did God not reveal this truth so very long ago while they were not keeping the right day ? It’s all in God’s perfect timing when He chooses to reveal things, and as long as God’s people are showing faith in everything that they have been given thus so far, that is what matters to God. God is not concerned with whether or not we are following what He has not yet given to us. Mr. Weinland gave his original time-frame based upon what God’s Church had believed for a very long time, and part of the timing for the revelation of the 50th Truth for June 2008 was to show that His Church is keeping their faith in what they believed to be the truth until God reveals the real truth to them. I’ve heard many people saying that even if the 2nd Trumpet blows with nuclear detonations in port cities, that Mr. Weinland is sitll a false prophet because of the timing issue, and I know that some of you will feel that same way also, but we must be humble before God and pray to him for His great mercy to show you the truth because you want to know His ways, you want to live his way of life.
Whether or not Mr. Weinland is right or not, I am still so very incredibly excited in my life to have come to know God’s purpose and plan for mankind, why we are here, the reasons why he created us as physical human-beings with a carnal nature about ourselves, and why there was a rebellion in the Angelic-Realm, and why are there dinosaur fossills of hundreds of millions of years if mankind was only here for 6,000 years. Everything that I have been learning is jut so very powerfull to me and it’s leaving me so very excited about everything. My posting on here isn’t to prove to you what is correct or to prove to you that Mr. Weinland is not a false prophet, as I understand that I cannot do those things at all whatsoever, but I am trying to impart what we should be examining, and not just looking at the very surface of the timing issue. We should be examining why the timing did not occur, why did God withhold that timing, and see the history of how God has worked in His Church, because he did the same thing with Mr. Armstrong regarding revelation of truth as He did with Mr. Weinland. We should very easily be able to state that Mr. Armstrong was a false apostle if what he stated about various doctrine was not of the truth (which we wouldn’t even have known was not of the truth until God revealed the real truth), but the truth is that God has given revelation throughout the history of God’s Church, most powerfully in the beginning of God’s Church and in the Philadelphia and Laodicea eras. The issue we have is that God did not reveal the 50th Truth sooner than we perceive would have been right, once again mankind saying that he knows better than God. Now, this is not a personal attack on individuals, but this is just showing how mankind tends to think when things don’t seem right in their own minds, when it’s all about God’s mind and His purpose and timing in and for all things.
By the way, as I’ve been writing this today, there has been a major California Earth-Quake sequence that began with a 6.5 magnitude earth-quake, and has followed a 7.2 sequence near the Solomon Islands on 1/3/2010, and a 5.9 sequence in Baja California at the Volcano down there on 12/30/2009. All 3 of these sequences have yielded many strong after-shocks, some being much worse than the previous after-shock, making some of them fore-shocks, so could something much bigger be coming ? I don’t want to talk more about this now though because I will be discussing the 7 Thunders in another posting onto The Weinland Witnes, but I want the comments to this here particular posting to be about the issue of Mr. Weinland’s timing and what people are thinking regarding this matter, especially after what I have typed above.
I want everybody reading this to know that I love all of you, and even when sometimes that might be difficult, I know that God indeed desires for all of us to love each and every other human-being that has ever lived and died upon this Earth, even if we greatly disagree with each other, we are all bonded together by the love for our almighty Creator, our Eternal God, Yahweh Elohim (in the Hebrew language). We are all bonded together by the persuit of truth, but how we go about that persuit of truth, and whether or not we are asking God for His help in this endeavor, will make all of the difference in the World in whether or not He gives each of us His truth.